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Re: Official Packer Record Prediction Thread 

Post#61 » by dedned » Thu Sep 4, 2008 4:44 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Ridiculous. MM hasn't done anything without coaching Favre? Did you pay attention at all to Favre's 2005 and 2006 seasons? Both were pretty damn lousy. MM's scheme and adjust on the fly by abandoning the running game and shifting to quick hitting spread offense is definitely one of the reasons Favre was successful last year. Now, Favre played awesome, don't get me wrong, but to give no credit to MM is asinine. MM is 22-12 including playoffs as head coach, and both years the team won more games than pundits predicted. I think he's doing a pretty good job. He's a smart offensive coach.


I didnt say MM is a bad coach I'm just holding out on calling him the next Lombardi til I see what he does this year.
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Re: Official Packer Record Prediction Thread 

Post#62 » by El Duderino » Thu Sep 4, 2008 10:38 pm

I think the rules have made the shut-down corner a thing of the past. Not only that, but WRs these days are just so physically superior to their CB counterparts. I can't remember of the last time I've seen a CB really have a standout performance.



That's because like say a left tackle, in most cases, if you don't hear a cornerbacks name called much during a game, it's because he's shutting down who he's covering and the ball isn't being thrown his way. The casual fan won't notice the fabulous game a corner is having because that players name isn't being called, but the coaches and GM surely will notice.

This is an extreme example because Deion Sanders was one of the best cover corners to ever play the game, but in his prime, multiple games could go by without his name being called much unless he got an INT because QB's rarely threw the ball to the guy he was covering. In his dominant days with Dallas, he only averaged 3 interceptions a year.

When teams have a good corner and he's playing well a whole half or game can go by and you rarely will hear his name called by announcers and that's not because he's playing poor, it's usually because his man isn't getting open and thus isn't getting passes thrown his way. More times than not, if a corner is getting lots of air time, it's because whoever he's covering is open enough that the QB is throwing the ball that way.

On the other hand, I've seen some absolutely dominant performances by LBs and safeties in which they essentially took over the game



The above is my point. You hear a safety or LB's name called a lot during a game because the position they play lends more to to it, but if a starting corner on their team has say only allowed one or two catches for 15-25 yards to a good receiver, you don't include him in having a dominant performance because that corner was barely mentioned. Plus, on top of that, average fans don't notice when a good corner is trusted enough by their coaches to play lots of single coverage and thus allows for a safety to cheat more on the run or slide his coverage elsewhere. Good corner play can allow that extra second or half second for the pass rush to get to the QB, but the fans watching on TV will have never seen that aspect of the sack because the camera was on both lines and the quarterback.

The coaches notice this stuff though, both the defense and offensive coaches and is why corners generally get drafted higher and get paid more than safeties or linebackers.

EDIT-- I am with you somewhat DB on safeties and it does seem NFL teams are placing a higher value on them the last 5 years or so compared to the past. With so much passing, teams need at least one safety who can play the pass well along with support the run.
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Re: Official Packer Record Prediction Thread 

Post#63 » by emunney » Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:00 pm

11 wins, #2 seed in the NFC (Eagles).
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Post#64 » by Flames24Rulz » Fri Sep 5, 2008 5:07 am

11-5, #2 seed in the NFC (Cowboys).
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Post#65 » by Captain Erv » Fri Sep 5, 2008 5:10 am

Minnesota - W
at Detroit - W
Dallas - W
at Tampa Bay - L
Atlanta - W
at Seattle - L
Indianapolis - W
BYE
at Tennessee - W
at Minnesota - L
Chicago - W
at New Orleans - L
Carolina - W
Houston - W
at Jacksonville - L
at Chicago - W
Detroit - W

11-5
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Re: Official Packer Record Prediction Thread 

Post#66 » by dedned » Fri Sep 5, 2008 5:32 am

Heres some predictions from The National Football Post:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/200 ... edictions/
Andrew Brandt has us losing to the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Michael Lombardi and Matt Bowen also make predictions.
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Post#67 » by stillgotgame » Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:46 am

7-9.

Lack of depth at QB and defensive line will kill us. Rodgers will struggle, and if he gets hurt it will be real ugly.
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Post#68 » by Flames24Rulz » Sat Sep 6, 2008 7:26 pm

Captain Erv wrote:Minnesota - W
at Detroit - W
Dallas - W
at Tampa Bay - L
Atlanta - W
at Seattle - L
Indianapolis - W
BYE
at Tennessee - W
at Minnesota - L
Chicago - W
at New Orleans - L
Carolina - W
Houston - W
at Jacksonville - L
at Chicago - W
Detroit - W

11-5


Heh, that's almost exactly how I had it except a win at Minnesota and a loss at Tennessee.
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Post#69 » by eagle13 » Sun Sep 7, 2008 12:43 am

Well we get to see an example of DB / Dude disussion about CB's value.
DB says its ALL pass rush - CBs are most over-rated position.
Dude says CBs matter along with pass rush - that CB is 4th most important on team.

Vike's CBs suck but with Allen their pass rush is very good.

IF db is right - then regardless of sucky CBs, Rodgers has no chance b/c of vikes pass rush.

IF Dude is right - if Rodgers can elude rush he and receivers should be able to exploit Vike Cbs.

No offense DB - but I hope Dude is right.
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Post#70 » by ClassicJack » Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:13 am

I'm going with 8-8. Really worried about the D-line and Aaron's durability. Not to mention the fact that I've always thought Favre-gate would irreparably damage our prospects for this season.
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Post#71 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:22 am

eagle13 wrote:Well we get to see an example of DB / Dude disussion about CB's value.
DB says its ALL pass rush - CBs are most over-rated position.
Dude says CBs matter along with pass rush - that CB is 4th most important on team.

Vike's CBs suck but with Allen their pass rush is very good.

IF db is right - then regardless of sucky CBs, Rodgers has no chance b/c of vikes pass rush.

IF Dude is right - if Rodgers can elude rush he and receivers should be able to exploit Vike Cbs.

No offense DB - but I hope Dude is right.


I'm actually fine with the Vikes defense. They're strength is stopping the run, not rushing the passer. Allen is a wonderful DE but even he isn't making the difference on that team.
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Post#72 » by bigkurty » Sun Sep 7, 2008 6:18 am

Flames24Rulz wrote:11-5, #2 seed in the NFC (Cowboys).

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Post#73 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Jan 4, 2010 2:12 am

paulpressey25 wrote:I figured one of you guys would have started this, but now we're a week out, so I think we need one.

Last year I went 9-7 based on how good I thought the defense looked in the pre-season. This year I'm scaling back to 6-10 based on the amount of injuries and the fact I'm not on board with the concept that the defense can just turn it on once the season starts.

I think that if Rodgers/James Jones/Driver/Jennings stay healthy we'll have one of the best passing offenses in the league. But I think the holes on defense will be too great and the D won't bail us out like they did last year in many instances.

If the team finishes 10-6 it will be a testament to how good a drafter TT is IMHO and mean that other draft picks are stepping up.


I'm bumping the 2008 thread as well here just so you guys can bask in the glory. 8-)
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