CAP SPACE after Randolph Trade

[boogiesdad]

2008/09 2009/10 2010/11 2011/12

Antoine Walker 9,320,500 0 0 0
OJ Mayo 3,875,040 4,165,560 4,456,200 5,632,636
Greg Buckner 3,759,259 4,018,518 4,277,700 0
Mike Conley 3,630,480 3,883,800 4,913,007 6,480,256
Marc Gasol 3,000,000 3,000,000 3,000,000 0
Rudy Gay 2,579,400 3,280,996 4,422,782 0
Damon Stoudamire 2,325,000 0 0 0
Hakim Warrick 2,119,101 3,021,838 0 0
Javaris Crittendon 1,381,560 1,477,920 2,275,996 3,245,571
Kyle Lowry 1,163,520 2,034,996 2,975,164 0
Darrel Arthur 977,160 1,050,480 1,123,680 2,027,118
Hamed Haddadi 2,000,000 2,000,000 2,000,000 0
Darko Milic 7,000,000 7,500,000 0 0
Marko Jaric 6,575,000 7,100,100 7,625,000 0
TOTAL 49,706,020 42,534,208 37,069,529 17385581
Projected Cap Room 10,000,000 18,000,000 24,000,000 45,000,000

with the trade of Jaric and Darko for Randolph
Zach Randolph 14,666,666 16,000,000 17,333,333 0
TOTAL 50,797,686 43,943,108 46,777,862 17385581
Projected Cap Room 9,000,000 17,000,000 15,000,000 45,000,000

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Buckner has a $1 million buy out clause after this season. He's essentially an expiring contract.

[Downtown]

boogiesdad, this illistrates why the Randolph trade isn't as bad as some see it on the surface. I personally wish they would look elsewhere to solve the power forward issue but I can see where management is coming from.

Other than the personality issues that have followed Randolph, the trade itself with regards to salaries and how it affects Memphis isn't out of line.

[boogiesdad]

Buckner has a $1 million buy out clause after this season. He's essentially an expiring contract.

I did that chart assuming all options besides Walker's are picked up.

Honestly with oour core and Cap Room we should be able to land a MAX Player.

[grizzleGM]

Buckner has a $1 million buy out clause after this season. He's essentially an expiring contract.

I did that chart assuming all options besides Walker's are picked up.

Honestly with oour core and Cap Room we should be able to land a MAX Player.

Remember Warrick's cap hold will be $6.36million.

[Walton'sBeard!]

Trading Gasol to get cap space, then using that space to get Randolph = stupidest idea ever.

ZBo, in my opinion, is the worst player in the NBA. He has the rare talent to put up great stats while destroying your team. I wouldn't want him back here (or on any other team I followed) if he came for free. He will make you worse, count on it!

[GO GRIZZ]

Once again, there are many people putting down players or whomever is talked about to go to another team. When it was Chris Wallace, although not a player, all we ever heard was that you guys are gonna to hate this guy. Thus far, I really think he's done a pretty good job. I do believe Heisley had a hand in the Pau trade. Sometimes, all that is needed is change. If you go to a positive organization, maybe it will rub off. I know our organization isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than that front office Randolph was put into at New York. People go to different areas for a new start for the most part. If this trade happens, I will continue to be optimistic that it will work out for the best. If it happens, we know it wasn't because the front office didn't try. But if it does, I will welcome him as a Grizz until he proves otherwise. And from the chart that Boogie posted, the cap room won't be affected much at all. I am just hoping for a much improved season from the last two.

[Walton'sBeard!]

In his last year in Portland he was in an extremely positive environment. Most of the JailBlazers were gone (excluding Randolph), he had good guys like Brandon Roy, Udoka, Aldridge, Webster, Przybilla and Outlaw to play with and a great coach to play for. Yet he still was in trouble off the court and killing our team on the court. So we traded him to NY in exchange for a $40M cap hit (Francis) and a backup PF (Frye). NY fans said, "he just needs a change of scenary". Now after one year of watching Randolph kill their team those same fans are hoping to trade him for two guys that won't even crack the Knicks rotation.

I appreciate your optimistic outlook, the world need people like you. I'm sure there were a few people keeping it positive as the Titanic sank too.

[bgassassin]

I don't care about the finances. What I've been harping on is exactly what Beard just said. It makes no sense to do the total opposite of what Portland did.

[GO GRIZZ]

In his last year in Portland he was in an extremely positive environment. Most of the JailBlazers were gone (excluding Randolph), he had good guys like Brandon Roy, Udoka, Aldridge, Webster, Przybilla and Outlaw to play with and a great coach to play for. Yet he still was in trouble off the court and killing our team on the court. So we traded him to NY in exchange for a $40M cap hit (Francis) and a backup PF (Frye). NY fans said, "he just needs a change of scenary". Now after one year of watching Randolph kill their team those same fans are hoping to trade him for two guys that won't even crack the Knicks rotation.

I appreciate your optimistic outlook, the world need people like you. I'm sure there were a few people keeping it positive as the Titanic sank too.

You may be right about the environment then, but he had already been damaged before that core came in if I remember correctly. You guys organization did a makeover within 2 or 3 years of blowing up the draft which is very commendable I think to create a healthier environment for management. But I don't think you take young guys and think they will change his outlook once he was already damaged goods. But I do believe that if that core was already set, that it may have changed the outlook for him. Most of those guys you mentioned are either very young or may not have quality leadership skills to change him. I do believe that if you begin to start messing with his playing time and money, that he will soon settle down. Coach Iavaroni seems to have a no nonsense approach towards bad apples. I think that's why Stromile Swift was on the first plane smoking as soon as he could find a partner to accept him. But to get back on point, I think the guys in Memphis have set ways, and once he see that from the jump, it should rub off on the guy. If that don't happen, then maybe I will jump on your bandwagon for the lost cause case. But until then, I will remain optimistic. And to those who remained optimistic on the Titanic were survivors!!!

[Downtown]

I have to agree that I would look elsewhere instead of going after Randolph. But at the same time salary wise it doesn't compromise the Grizzlies since they simple swap two contracts for one of the same, although there is that one final year where Darko would have been off the books. I really don't think the Knicks will do this trade if they have to take equal contracts back PLUS pay part of Randolphs salary, as the rumors have stated and it will all be put behind and we can breath a sigh of relief.

[bgassassin]

In his last year in Portland he was in an extremely positive environment. Most of the JailBlazers were gone (excluding Randolph), he had good guys like Brandon Roy, Udoka, Aldridge, Webster, Przybilla and Outlaw to play with and a great coach to play for. Yet he still was in trouble off the court and killing our team on the court. So we traded him to NY in exchange for a $40M cap hit (Francis) and a backup PF (Frye). NY fans said, "he just needs a change of scenary". Now after one year of watching Randolph kill their team those same fans are hoping to trade him for two guys that won't even crack the Knicks rotation.

I appreciate your optimistic outlook, the world need people like you. I'm sure there were a few people keeping it positive as the Titanic sank too.

You may be right about the environment then, but he had already been damaged before that core came in if I remember correctly. You guys organization did a makeover within 2 or 3 years of blowing up the draft which is very commendable I think to create a healthier environment for management. But I don't think you take young guys and think they will change his outlook once he was already damaged goods. But I do believe that if that core was already set, that it may have changed the outlook for him. Most of those guys you mentioned are either very young or may not have quality leadership skills to change him. I do believe that if you begin to start messing with his playing time and money, that he will soon settle down. Coach Iavaroni seems to have a no nonsense approach towards bad apples. I think that's why Stromile Swift was on the first plane smoking as soon as he could find a partner to accept him. But to get back on point, I think the guys in Memphis have set ways, and once he see that from the jump, it should rub off on the guy. If that don't happen, then maybe I will jump on your bandwagon for the lost cause case. But until then, I will remain optimistic. And to those who remained optimistic on the Titanic were survivors!!!

Sorry Go. Pretty much everything you just said shows why we don't need to get him.

[grizzleGM]

Trading Gasol to get cap space, then using that space to get Randolph = stupidest idea ever.

ZBo, in my opinion, is the worst player in the NBA. He has the rare talent to put up great stats while destroying your team. I wouldn't want him back here (or on any other team I followed) if he came for free. He will make you worse, count on it!

THE GRIZZ ARE NOT GIVING UP THEIR CAP SPACE FOR ZBO!!!

Please take 2 minutes to look at the trade before spewing this crap.

Jaric $6.575m
Darko$7.000m
Randolph $14.667m

The Grizz are only giving up $1.1million of their $17million in cap space for Randolph.

[Walton'sBeard!]

Trading Gasol to get cap space, then using that space to get Randolph = stupidest idea ever.

ZBo, in my opinion, is the worst player in the NBA. He has the rare talent to put up great stats while destroying your team. I wouldn't want him back here (or on any other team I followed) if he came for free. He will make you worse, count on it!

THE GRIZZ ARE NOT GIVING UP THEIR CAP SPACE FOR ZBO!!!

Please take 2 minutes to look at the trade before spewing this crap.

Jaric $6.575m
Darko$7.000m
Randolph $14.667m

The Grizz are only giving up $1.1million of their $17million in cap space for Randolph.

LOUD NOISES!! THIS IS SO CONFUSING BECAUSE WHEN I COMPARE GASOL'S CONTRACT TO ZACH'S THEY LOOK THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After the Gasol trade, wasn't the message from Wallace about gaining cap space? Flexibilty?

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[Hoops23]

Trading Gasol to get cap space, then using that space to get Randolph = stupidest idea ever.

Contract wise, Gasol & Z-Bo are almost the same. Gasol is far better player than Z-Bo.
If the Grizz will trade for Z-Bo, it will just justify how excellent they are in making trades. Z-Bo still has until 2011 in his contract with an average of $16m per.

[dark-child]

Many of you have expressed valid points regarding acquiring Randolph, but I don't think we should link it as part of the Gasol deal. Randolph is being pursued by the Grizz simply because of need of production from the power forward position. Granted it is the same position that was previously manned by Pau, his addition to the team is not a result of the trade. The last shoes to drop from the deal will be what the organization decides to do with the CAP space, if they do in fact use it.

The Grizz are trading almost identical salaries so nothing in CAP space is really lost. The danger in acquiring Randolph is the Grizz may end up not spending the CAP space on a max player because there is development and growth potential at every position. If we acquire Randolph who already makes 14 mil a season, Rudy is at the 3, Conley & Mayo in the backcourt, and Hadid & Gasol at center, where do you spend big money. There is no max level center coming available in 09 and if we hit the lottery again next season we can shore up the backup 3 position with a Chase Budinger type who will be outside the top 5. This is actually a dream scenario for Michael Heisley, a competitive team that is getting better and no need to spend, which could be justified.

2009 CAP could very well turn into 2010 CAP and seeing if Amare would be interested and if he isn't well at least they made an offer. This may well be the financial flexibility they were speaking of, we can pay or not pay depending on the patience of the city and the performance on the floor.

[DowJones]

Why do you want ZBO in the first place? No offense but you guys aren't sniffing the playoffs for the next 2 or 3 years anyway. You guys are better off as a franchise to suck right now, get a high draft pick (Blake Griffin anyone?) then moving forward with salary cap space.

ZBO is a "win now" type of player....and you guys aren't there.

[grizzleGM]

LOUD NOISES!! THIS IS SO CONFUSING BECAUSE WHEN I COMPARE GASOL'S CONTRACT TO ZACH'S THEY LOOK THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After the Gasol trade, wasn't the message from Wallace about gaining cap space? Flexibilty?

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What is difficult to understand???
1) The Grizz are not giving up cap space to get Randolph.
2) The Grizz are still maintaining flexibility. Evidence is the ~$16million in capspace they would STILL have next offseason.
3) The difference is you are trying to make this a Gasol for Randolph swap when it is not. If you are going to look at it like that then see the what really happened below.

Gasol, MMiller, Kevin Love, Darko, Brian Cardinal, Jason Collins 2nd rd pick
for
OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, Critt, Randolph, Darrell Arthur, Walker($9m/exp), Buckner($4m/exp), and a player to be named in 2010

I would make that trade everyday especially to know that the Grizz end up with ~$16mil in cap space next year.

[Walton'sBeard!]

1 & 2) You may not lose cap space now but you would be in 10/11, you'll be losing about $10M in cap space.

3) The perception around the media will be (true or not) that the Grizz traded Gasol to make room for Zach. Obviously Gasol is 5 times the player Zach is, so get ready for a lot of harrassing. There are still analysts that believe you traded Gasol to get Kwame, not for cap purposes, but because you thought KB was a great player. Then again, those same analysts are probably dumb enough to think Zach will help you win.

And as I said earlier in this topic (and others have said) putting aside money, any deal that brings Randolph to your team is a horrible deal. But I'll leave you alone from now on. Last year we tried to warn Knicks fans about him, but they didn't want to listen. If this deal happens you guys will find out too.

[#1knickfan]

And as I said earlier in this topic (and others have said) putting aside money, any deal that brings Randolph to your team is a horrible deal. But I'll leave you alone from now on. Last year we tried to warn Knicks fans about him, but they didn't want to listen. If this deal happens you guys will find out too.

Randolph did nothing to make us regret the trade whatsoever. He even averaged the fewest shots taken in the past 5 seasons.