John Hollinger from Espn on Orlandos offseason moves

[Def Swami]

Orlando's Adonal Foyle is a great guy and a decent third center.

He bashes MP and AJ, but Foyle gets some love? Hollinger just lost all credibility.

[CourtsideTV]

They should pay me to write for ESPN. Its what I do anyways: State the fact: Magic Suck.

And we end up winning 50+ that season and making it to round 2.

[Jersey Generals]

Because most people dont follow the Magic they dont really understand what we needed.

To the outside MP is a complete liablity; to the majority on the inside it was a required upgrade at the SG spot in which we had two perenial bench players manning the full 48 minutes each game. MP might be inconsistent, but no more than Evans or Bogans, and his good games, or even his average will be a big upgrade on both ends of the floor. Not to mention to even keep Evans, was going to cost us not that much less than it did for MP.

Read what he said, though...he's implying by last years stats, it SEEMS like Pietrus will be bad/a curse. Hollinger himself preambles that by saying the Magic aren't playing him at the PF, giving Pietrus an "out" so to speak.

To the outside, AJ is a downgrade; to alot on the inside it gives Orlando a stable vetern PG that knows his role, we dont need fireworks here, we just need a guy that can pass the ball without giving it away when he's on the court, and correct me if I am wrong AJ was top 14 of all the PG's in that ratio last year? Many were getting tired of running a bench tweener [though most loved his hustle] as our back up guard in Dooling, a complete lack of ability to run the offense, Dooling wasnt a PG, he was a "hold down the fort and dont give 2 much away" player at the PG. Arroyo, most of us wanted him gone, how can we downgrade over a player most didnt want here?

Mostly peoples opinions come from the fact they watch a handful of games, see the odd box score and make misinformed opinions on that. While the jury is going to be out on whether MP was worth the money, I fail to see how our SG spot is in any shape weaker than it was last year.

You got to remember, Hollinger deals in stats...so statistically, taking the fact that AJ is getting older, his stats will drop off, hence what Hollinger said.

Personally, I think us Magic fans are looking for something to whine about, rather than actually seeing something. What Hollinger said was not in anyway inappropriate, and to think otherwise, in my opinion, is absurd.

[drsd]

You got to remember, Hollinger deals in stats...so statistically, taking the fact that AJ is getting older, his stats will drop off, hence what Hollinger said.

One stat to like is Johnson's career assist / TO numbers. He's at 2.7 . Off of the bench, AJ will be a more stable influence than Arroyo. And that should help Stan-the-Man retain hair follicles in the coming season.

[Jersey Generals]

One stat to like is Johnson's career assist / TO numbers. He's at 2.7 . Off of the bench, AJ will be a more stable influence than Arroyo. And that should help Stan-the-Man retain hair follicles in the coming season.

Oh, don't misunderstand me, I'm in no way saying I agree with Hollinger...I like AJ, and think he'll be good/great depending on the context we're talking about (A good player, great for the team). All I'm saying is that I don't think Hollinger was exactly bashing the Magic. That's all. Sorry if I relayed something different through my posts.

[damo[23]]

Oh, don't misunderstand me, I'm in no way saying I agree with Hollinger...I like AJ, and think he'll be good/great depending on the context we're talking about (A good player, great for the team). All I'm saying is that I don't think Hollinger was exactly bashing the Magic. That's all. Sorry if I relayed something different through my posts.

Then dont minunderstand me.

I dont care if he's evaluating based on numbers [box scores]. I made my points about our offseason moves and how most view it.

As I said in my first post, most people make their opinions on the Magic either by the way they view the franchise over the past 12 years, or on the handful of games they see, or boxscores. I personally have never bought into this "by the numbers" game that people seem to live and die by, fair enough there are a huge ammount of statistics involved, but really the sport isnt as black and white as it is, and thats part of what I was trying to imply the first time round.

[Jersey Generals]

[quote="damo[23]As I said in my first post, most people make their opinions on the Magic either by the way they view the franchise over the past 12 years, or on the handful of games they see, or boxscores. I personally have never bought into this "by the numbers" game that people seem to live and die by, fair enough there are a huge ammount of statistics involved, but really the sport isnt as black and white as it is, and thats part of what I was trying to imply the first time round.[/quote]

But that's your opinion, and it doesn't translate to what Hollinger does. It doesn't matter what you think, what I think, or what anyone else on this board thinks about his numbers; that's how he does it, those are his credentials. So, when refrencing someone "bashing" a team, you must put yourself in his/her shoes, see out of their eyes, in order to really see if he's bashing them. If he would have said that "the Magic did nothing to improve themselves, they're a crappy franchise, etc etc" then you'd have an argument about him bashing the Magic. But he didn't, he used (presumably) his credentials for deciding how well the Magic's offseason moves were, and spoke about his findings. To me, biased and unbased opinions would be considered bashing, but what Hollinger did wasn't in my opinion. Shrug, difference of opinion. Either way, I think Pietrus will be good, though I hope Lee is better.

[damo[23]]

Misunderstood once again Jeresy Generals.

I dont personally agree with the basis of his opinions, as I said, it gave misleading results, so I gave my opinion. Simple as. I dont personally feel he was bashing the Magic, nor do I really care if he were, I just gave my interpretation of the offseason deals based on Magic needs and what we are looking for the players to bring in stead of what we had. Its all very simple.

If your just trying to get your way because I quoted you in my first post, I was only using that as a segway into my point, I wasnt directly commenting on what you had said.

[lovehoops01]

For me, the concern about the point guard situation is that inevitable period (and let's hope it's only one) when Jameer misses two weeks or at the very least his play is significantly hampered because of an injury. Then you have A.J./Wilks at point guard. Can they hold the team for periods of time that long? And also, where is your change of pace player? The Magic didn't play with much energy in a lot of games last season anyway. I'd say they needed more of it, not less, in a lot of games. You got that from Keyon and Mo. Where is it going to come from now?

As far as Pietrus goes, potential is a big word in his case. To me, he hasn't shown the same level of performance that Hedo had when the Magic gave him the midlevel exception. For someone who has as many years in the league as Pietrus already does, how many bad habits has he developed? Even if you don't worry about his ability to produce consistently on offense, it will be interesting how he looks: 1). In the East, which has more good defensive teams than the West; and 2). When he is not the only player on his team playing defense. In other words, when other players on his team also play defense, will his defense look as good? And I do wonder if he is capable of those 16-point games that Mo could give you every now and then when the Magic needed it.

I am not saying he can't do it. Maybe Stan will work wonders with him and he'll thrive on getting consistent playing time. But that's a lot to gamble based mostly on potential at this point.

Also, they didn't get Dwight any help.

[theTHIEF]

luckily he didnt wait until today to post his thoughts...he's surely love the acquisition of Wilks...