cavs/magic trade

[Magic.City.23.]

And I dont think this trade is all that bad as you guys make it sound. Ben solidifids our front court and frees up Dwight a ton to be more involved offensively, and West is a second Jameer to me.

Ben Wallace does not free up the front court at all, he clogs the lane and brings less offensive game than even Dwight along w/ worse FT shooting..... Horrible trade. Ben would be a nice back-up center, but 4 Rashard?? Cocaines a hulluva drug.

[Jersey Generals]

Delonte West, and Ben Wallace for Rashard Lewis?

Um, heck yeah I would do that trade. We get a decent, young PG to help out Jameer (who he played college ball with), a decent back up center, and best yet, cap room to resign Hedo for Rashard? Yeah...I would do it in a heartbeat.

Just Ben Wallace for Rashard, on the other hand? If a first round pick is thrown the Magic's way, maybe.

[AdamTheGreek]

Would you guys do this?


Delonte West 2.8 mill Q.O. 2009 1rst

Orlando Magic

Incoming Players
Photo: Ben Wallace
Ben Wallace
Salary: $14,500,000 Years Remaining: 2

Outgoing Players: Rashard Lewis
Cleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players
Photo: Rashard Lewis
Rashard Lewis
Salary: $16,447,871 Years Remaining: 5

*Hands over championship, proceeds to kill Otis*

I know Jameer and Delonte are homeboys, but seriously?!
And we don't need a washed up Big Ben when Gortat would rape the sh*t out of him (IMO).

[Optimus_Steel]

Delonte West, and Ben Wallace for Rashard Lewis?

Um, heck yeah I would do that trade. We get a decent, young PG to help out Jameer (who he played college ball with), a decent back up center, and best yet, cap room to resign Hedo for Rashard? Yeah...I would do it in a heartbeat.

Just Ben Wallace for Rashard, on the other hand? If a first round pick is thrown the Magic's way, maybe.

How does that help the Magic win?

[Last Guardian]

Despite Rashard being massively overpaid, I'd like to see where this team can go.

[Jersey Generals]

How does that help the Magic win?

How does it not help the Magic win? If dealing Rashard Lewis allows the team to better themselves by acquiring more assets, then I'm all for it. Furthermore, it allows up cap space to trade for someone, preferably a starting-calibre 4.

Like I said, though, I wouldn't accept just a Wallace for Lewis trade, there would have to be more coming the Magics way.

[Kent]

There's NO ONE on the Cavs roster that I'd want on our team BESIDES King James, so... no.

Well I for one, would consider any trade that involving RL. IMO, there are many players out there that can do what RL for half the price.

Do the same for half the price? Puh-leeze. Yeah, he was overpaid. But without Lewis, Hedo doesn't break out, and that Toronto series would've been a lot closer. This Lewis-hate won't ever go away, but I understand that.

Ben solidifids our front court and frees up Dwight a ton to be more involved offensively, and West is a second Jameer to me.

How does having Big Ben free up Dwight offensively? If anything, it makes things worse because no one is going to guard Wallace when Dwight is in the post.

I love Jameer, but one of him is enough for me.

[Optimus_Steel]

How does that help the Magic win?

How does it not help the Magic win? If dealing Rashard Lewis allows the team to better themselves by acquiring more assets, then I'm all for it. Furthermore, it allows up cap space to trade for someone, preferably a starting-calibre 4.

Like I said, though, I wouldn't accept just a Wallace for Lewis trade, there would have to be more coming the Magics way.

Its not gonna help the Magic win this year which is what the Magic are trying to do.

[Jersey Generals]

Its not gonna help the Magic win this year which is what the Magic are trying to do.

In that case, the Magic are being stupid.

[Magicalltheway]

There's NO ONE on the Cavs roster that I'd want on our team BESIDES King James, so... no.

Well I for one, would consider any trade that involving RL. IMO, there are many players out there that can do what RL for half the price.

Do the same for half the price? Puh-leeze. Yeah, he was overpaid. But without Lewis, Hedo doesn't break out, and that Toronto series would've been a lot closer. This Lewis-hate won't ever go away, but I understand that.

Ben solidifids our front court and frees up Dwight a ton to be more involved offensively, and West is a second Jameer to me.

How does having Big Ben free up Dwight offensively? If anything, it makes things worse because no one is going to guard Wallace when Dwight is in the post.

I love Jameer, but one of him is enough for me.

This has nothing to do with Lewis hate, I am just concerned with our finances. Can you not feel the impact of his pay for this years salary already? in 2011 we will have $47mil between only 4 players. Lewis is not Lebron type player to have that much of an impact to justify the roll players we will have to bring in. Now instead we had the opportunity to bring in Gerald Wallace for $8mil/year. This year alone would save us $9mil and you cant tell me that GW would be less productive than RL.

[Optimus_Steel]

Its not gonna help the Magic win this year which is what the Magic are trying to do.

In that case, the Magic are being stupid.

So you would rather be mediocre for a couple of more years? How does that help the Magic?

[Jersey Generals]

So you would rather be mediocre for a couple of more years? How does that help the Magic?

I think there are transactions that, for the wellbeing of the teams future and to make them better for a longer period of time, that you have to do. Now I'm not saying this is a transaction that the Magic should (or would) pursue, I'm just saying that you shouldn't close your eyes and ears to everything; you should be open to all possibilities. Again, let me remind you that this isn't out of any hate of Lewis, I like him as a player: do I think he makes too much? Yes, I think he's a player deserving of money in the 14-15 million range. Do I think he's a bum, though, that does nothing for the team? No, I luckily do not fall into the category. Do I like Hedo better as a player? Yes, but I am willing to trade Hedo if it would make the Magic better. The only untradeable player on the team for me is Howard, with the core being Nelson, Lee, and Howard.

But using this transaction, for instance, here is how it would help the Magic's future: by trading Rashard for Ben Wallace and a first round pick, that opens up cap room which can be used for a few things, plus gives us an extra firstrounder as an asset. A) The Magic could resign Hedo for a medium length deal, and then allow both Battie's and Wallace's contracts to expire and use that cap money to sign a few mid-tier FA's; or B) With the impending free agent class in the next 2-3 years, the Magic could trade Ben Wallace's expiring contract either at the deadline of this season or next for cheap, good players from teams who are trying to open up capspace for that offseason, using draft picks as well in order to get the best possible players in those trades--then they'd use that capspace to resign Hedo; or C) Allow Battie's and Ben Wallace's contracts to expire, and use that caproom to become players in that big free agent class, presumably to go after either Amare Stoudemire or Chris Bosh. If that doesn't work, although I think it would since the market is going to be so flooded that players aren't going to get the money they think they will, then they'd just sign a few mid-tier FA's.

You can't tell me that a team of:

PG- Nelson
SG- Lee
SF- Turkoglu
PF- Stoudemire/Bosh
C- Howard

Isn't better than the team that the Magic fields right now. That's a longshot, yes, I know, but it is a possibility. Over all, though, I still don't know if I'd take Wallace and a first for Lewis, because that would force Battie to be the starting PF and I don't know how I feel about that. If Lewis was leaving for a servicable big then I'd be more willing to okay the deal.

[Bucs80]

YESS GREAT DEAL!!!! FINALLY GET RID OF RASHARD!!!!!







Come on now, this is a terrible deal. Ben Wallace is finished. He can't do what he did like 4-5 years ago on the defense anymore. To me, he is just a bench player.

Rashard Lewis contract is bad, but getting someone who is almost useless now is much worse, isn't a bright idea for our side.