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Name the best PG IN THE E.C. BY THE #'s

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Post#41 » by LiquidFire » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:07 pm

one question


WHY THE HELL IS RONDO SO EFFING OVERRATED?
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Post#42 » by Benedict_Boozer » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:44 pm

LiquidFire wrote:one question


WHY THE HELL IS RONDO SO EFFING OVERRATED?


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Post#43 » by LiquidFire » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:33 am

does that mean perkins is better then most of the eastern teams centers?
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Post#44 » by JMillott » Mon Sep 1, 2008 4:21 pm

1bhcavsfan wrote:Your borderline all-star players were all out performed {if even by a small margin} by Mo Will. So your excuse will be potential wise yad-yad-yad those players that you named makes them better then MO. I don't buy that for this simple reason alone, no matter where you go or what profession your in, you have to show someone that your a viable candidate for what ever your trying to perform, that is what we call a body of work. Our if your in the professional world we call it a resume.

So if you look at each individuals resume or {body of work} Mo has every right to say that he belongs in that discussion (borderline all-star}. Now if its a personnel reason that's a different story but if you are going to judge him on his merits alone than he belongs. Also in closing those numbers that you should look up may increase due to the fact that his teammate is the best in the league. Go figure


Mo Williams is also an awful defensive player, not a below average defender but a downright terrible one. He has been for two seasons and if you don't place any value on defense then that would be a reason to view him as a borderline allstar which to this point he has not been.

Now this problem should be better absorbed by a Cavs team that plays very good team defense unlike the Bucks who were largely built around a bunch of poor defensive players with a poor defensive system and coach.

I'm sure Mike Brown will get him to play better defense but even giving his all on that end I don't think he'll even be solid. He will still be a below average defensive player in my opinion because he lacks the physical size and strength to be a good one.

My big question mark on this is what impact him playing hard at the defensive end will have on his offensive efficentcy? Its much harder for a jump shooter to remain efficent when they are coasting at the defensive end because they stay fresh and fresh legs make shots.

Is Mo Williams still going to get 17+ PPG on 13-14 shots per game? Or will he need 15-16 shots to get those 17+ PPG once he stops coasting at the defensive end of the floor or will he simply be a 14-15 PPG player for the Cavs while getting 13-14 shots per game? I think he might get even less shots then that averaging 12-13 shots per game to get around 14 PPG.

His assists will likely go down as LeBron James has more of the offense run through him then any other player in the NBA and the Cavs play as a slower pace as well.

I don't think it was a bad move for the Cavs to trade for him as he should be a solid starting PG for them over the length of that contract but I don't think its a homerun move either. He simply isn't a top of the roster type player on a good team, he should in truth be a teams 4th or 5th best starter in my honest opinion.

Thankfully for the Cavs they have LeBron James who I feel is the best player in the entire league and by a fairly sizeable margin in my opinion. Having a player of that quality allows a team to get away with certin things like having a Mo Williams be a third option.

In fact all you basically need to do when you have a player like LeBron James is just have good solid players around him and you've got a semi-contender who can beat anybody. The trick is finding LeBron James a true #2 and then you've got a serious contender.

I think they found a possible canidate in the draft with JJ Hickson whom I believe will develop into a 17-18 PPG, 9-10 RPG PF in a few years giving David West calibur production. The problem is that by the time I expect him to be ready to do such things that Big Z will be gone and the Cavs will basically be back where they started this year.
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Post#45 » by 1bhcavsfan » Wed Sep 3, 2008 1:08 am

Everything that you stated is what if

Will he be a defensive contributor
Will his offensive game suffer from being more adamant about defensive
Will he get as many shots as he is a custom to getting with the Bucks
Will it take him more shots to reach is avg of last {17.3 blah blah blah}

All of those question that you pose are unknowns variables what are you basing this on his track record If so you may have to re-visit those cold hard facts. Me personally I try not to dispute cold facts

How about this will Boston find someone who can play defensive & hit the open shot like Posey

Okay : With Gilbert being healthy, will the Wizards finally get out of the first round

And in closing how much improved will the Heat be with a healthy D-wade.

How in the Heck can anyone predict those out comes? Unless you know something we don't and if so please share your sources. If that's not the case {which we all no to be true} How in earth are you going to convince us that Mo-Will is going to perform at a sub-par level.

Like I stated before if that's your personnel opinion that's fine. However allow me to give you a tip, it's a lot easier to discredit a individuals potential if he our she shows a lack of ability to succeed. However it's a lot more difficult to prove your case if that same individual constantly shows the ability to perform {HENCE 17.3-6-2.5} On a regular basis. But once again you are entitled to your opinion. I can't wait to re-visit this conversation with you through out the season.
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Post#46 » by TheOGJabroni » Thu Sep 4, 2008 9:15 pm

I don't get how Rondo is overrated. He is a perfect player for the C's system. He doesn't demand shots, but if he needs to score, he sure can. He does a lot of dirty work. He is one of the top rebounders for his position and distributes the ball exceptionally well. And I guarantee once you see a decline in the Big 3, you will see an increase in play from Rondo.

And to whoever said Rondo shouldn't be start. Um...What? Are you kidding? Who else should start at the point on the Boston Celtics?
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Post#47 » by JN » Thu Sep 4, 2008 9:46 pm

By PER, which is flawed, but less flawed then strict presnetation of Gross Points, Assists, Rebounds, both Calderon and Ford were by the Numbers quite a bit better then Mo Williams.
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Post#48 » by 1bhcavsfan » Fri Sep 5, 2008 2:56 am

I'll add you to the list of the na-sayers, and bring you back down memory lane to revisit this issue. Don't worry I'm not the type to say I told you so

It's kind of funny that people don't get it he's going to be playing with the best BALLER in the league. Lets all stand in unisons and repeat after me Progress not Regress .That's what happens when your affiliated with the KING {and Mike Browns defensive system} ANYTHING else is uncivilized. :lol:
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Post#49 » by hodgy#11 » Mon Sep 8, 2008 9:57 am

Is it because Dre played for you guys and landed you the lowly darius miles that you underrate him so terribly?!

The guy is WORLDS better than Mo Williams, u put dre on that bucks team last year and there would've been more wins on the board.

Cleveland needs a Point that can defend the point guard position (which Mo has yet to prove he can do on a consistent basis) and they also need to be able to hit the open shot. The ball handling and distributing is just about all up to LeBron.

Mo is a shooter before he's a distributor, making him a better fit with LeBron, but not a better PG than Dre.

Mo I would consider Gilbert Lite.
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Post#50 » by realfung » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:44 pm

Scoring: Arenas
All-Round: Billups
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Post#51 » by 1bhcavsfan » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:18 pm

Not debating just merely stating Mo is better than what people try to give him credit for or lack of


and your right actions does speak louder than words 17.3 6.3 2.1
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Post#52 » by TheOUTLAW » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:39 pm

I'm not sure how he was against other teams, but Mo was one of the best players the Cavs played against all season. He used to kill the Cavs.
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Post#53 » by 1bhcavsfan » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:30 am

I read on the piston board that they were not to happy to see Mo going to the Cavs. I guess he had pretty god success against them to
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Post#54 » by bcortell » Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:38 am

1bhcavsfan wrote:I read on the piston board that they were not to happy to see Mo going to the Cavs. I guess he had pretty god success against them to


Actually, it was pretty funny reading all the stuff the wrote about the MoWill trade. It started like this: Half of them thinks it helps us, half thinks it doesn't. Then it went to who the better team is (one fan actually said that lebron couldn't be them by himself- i thought that was already a proven fact). Then they said Stuckey was better than MoWill. Then they screwed up our lineup and rotation. Then they said that without Delonte, Billups will destroy Mo (I don't know why they left Delonte out). Finally, a guy said he had some "inside info" saying we are all out of moves for the season (not the offseason, but the entire season). I found the four pages quite entertaining.
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Post#55 » by 1bhcavsfan » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:43 am

Okay guys I'm brining the original Mo-Will post back and I will be keeping or better yet attempt to keep track of Mo steady ascend to stardom in the WINE &GOLD!!! And for all the Na-Sayers out there who look at Mo as a average at best point I will love to debate through-out the season. So lets get hype and let the games begin. I'm saying it here first that Mo will average 17pts or better along with 7 or more dimes.

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