Brad Miller? Top 16 center in the NBA?

Hoops23 · Post #1 » by **Hoops23** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:12 pm

LINK
1. Dwight Howard
2. Yao Ming
3. Bynum
4. Shaq
5. Camby
6. Rasheed
7. J. O'Neal
8. Oden
9. Okafor
10. Chandler
11. Kaman
12. Big Z
13. Dalembert
14. Bogut
15. Al Horford
16. Brad Miller
17. K. Perkins
18. Okur
19. Biedrins
20. Haywood

Post #2 » by **KingInExile** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:19 pm

I think they have him slightly underrated due to a couple of sub-par, injury-impacted seasons. But he's not far off; somewhere in the top 15 is probably right. He should be above Big Z IMO.

What I question is them placing Bynum at #3 and Oden at #8. Neither have really proven anything in the NBA yet...especially Oden, who sat out his rookie season due to knee surgery. And Bynum is so far all "potential" with no resume.

Inc · Post #3 » by **Inc** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:46 pm

Camby at #5 is wayy too high for me
Kaman at #11 is too low
Dalembert a little high
Shaq too high
Okur too low

sacking101 · Post #4 » by **sacking101** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:05 pm

I say he's above Big Z. I agree with kinginexile, Oden has not proven a thing. I have to say though I might take Okur over miller.

Smills91 · Post #5 » by **Smills91** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:21 am

Hoops23 wrote:LINK
1. Dwight Howard
2. Yao Ming
3. Kaman
4 Chandler
5. Okafor
6. Camby
7. Okur
8. Brad Miller
9. Shaq
10. Big Z
11. Dalembert
12. Bogut
13. Biedrins
14. K. Perkins
15. Haywood

Based on last year's performance this is how I would do it. Sheed and JO don't make 5 count for me, they're four's playing the 5 out of position. Bynum played in too few games to be adequately evaluated.

JazKeyz · Post #6 » by **JazKeyz** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:27 am

WHy the **** is bynum ranked so high? What type of **** is this man. And why is oden on this list too. he hasnt even played an NBA game? Andris biedrins should be a lot higher than kendrick perkins Camby rasheed and jermaine o neal are around wher ethey should be. but those first three that i said were waaaaayyyyyy off man.

SacKingZZZ · Post #7 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:01 am

Kaman at 11 is just insane! Didn't anyone see what the guy was doing last year!!!??? Wow. Yeah, I think Brad is above Big Z, maybe above Bogut, certainly above Dalembert, I think he's above Horford too. Yeah Biedrens is pretty low IMO. But, it's hard to say. I think you have guys like Dwight and Yao, and then you have, well, the rest basically.

And I agree JO and Sheed shouldn't be on the list, but both probably will play a lot of C next year.

ypsports · Post #8 » by **ypsports** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:46 am

1. Dwight Howard
2. Yao Ming
3. Al Jefferson
4. Camby
5 Chandler
6. Kaman
7. Shaq
8. Okefor
9. Brad Miller
10. Beidrens
11. Big Z
12. Okur
13. Bogut
14. Dalembert
15. K. Perkins
16. Haywood
17. Oberto

a-rod · Post #9 » by **a-rod** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:26 pm

KingInExile wrote:I think they have him slightly underrated due to a couple of sub-par, injury-impacted seasons. But he's not far off; somewhere in the top 15 is probably right. He should be above Big Z IMO.

What I question is them placing Bynum at #3 and Oden at #8. Neither have really proven anything in the NBA yet...especially Oden, who sat out his rookie season due to knee surgery. And Bynum is so far all "potential" with no resume.

No, Big Z is better defender, rebounder, better low post player, just as good a passer/outside shooter, and he's perhaps one of the most underrated and maybe most underutilized skill players in the NBA....

Big Z is a better player in every aspect of the game except maybe passing...

What I question is them placing Bynum at #3 and Oden at #8. Neither have really proven anything in the NBA yet...especially Oden, who sat out his rookie season due to knee surgery. And Bynum is so far all "potential" with no resume.

i agree...

Post #10 » by **pillwenney** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:39 pm

The passing isn't close. Z isn't a bad passer, but Brad is one of the better passing centers ever.

King Baller · Post #11 » by **King Baller** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:48 am

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No, Big Z is better defender, rebounder, better low post player, just as good a passer/outside shooter, and he's perhaps one of the most underrated and maybe most underutilized skill players in the NBA....

Big Z is a better player in every aspect of the game except maybe passing...[quote]

Every aspect???!!! I think not :lol:

Brad runs the floor better and is generaly more mobile. Z has a better post game, but does not shoot the J as well and certainly is not near the passer Brad is. Check their stats for 07/08 and for their carreers. Z scores about a point more a game and blocks about 1/2 more shots a game. Brad has the edge in steals and assists. Rebounds are about even. Z is perhaps more of a pure center, while Brad is a C/PF.

KB

Post #12 » by **pillwenney** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:58 am

Z is a very good mid-range shooter. He may not be quite as good as Brad, but to say that he doesn't shoot the J is wrong.

King Baller · Post #13 » by **King Baller** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:50 am

mitchweber wrote:Z is a very good mid-range shooter. He may not be quite as good as Brad, but to say that he doesn't shoot the J is wrong.

My bad I left out "as well", I fixed it

KB

King Baller · Post #14 » by **King Baller** » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:00 am

You know whats wrong with that list? The Nuggets gave up the 5th best center in the association for nothing except the right to swap second round picks! How can that be?

KB

a-rod · Post #15 » by **a-rod** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:31 am

miller can only play and pass from the high post, playing in the low post isn't really "his game", big z has been proven to be a good passer out of the high post/low post, here is few examples....

King Baller wrote:

the Kings often utilize the high post offense because they have two big men, Vlade Divac and brad miller, who can pass the ball and shoot from the outside, this system has not been utilized by other teams, so its not fair to compare Sabonis assist stats to vlade or Big Z assist stats to Miller, because these guys (Sabonis-Big z) they never had the chance to run an offense.

Post #16 » by **Wolfay** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:38 pm

a-rod wrote:miller can only play and pass from the high post, playing in the low post isn't really "his game", big z has been proven to be a good passer out of the high post/low post, here is few examples....

King Baller wrote:

the Kings often utilize the high post offense because they have two big men, Vlade Divac and brad miller, who can pass the ball and shoot from the outside, this system has not been utilized by other teams, so its not fair to compare Sabonis assist stats to vlade or Big Z assist stats to Miller, because these guys (Sabonis-Big z) they never had the chance to run an offense.

So you're saying that if Big Z or whoever is made to run the offense, they'll perform anywhere close to Brad or Vlade? KG doesn't run an offense but he still posts decent assist numbers for a big man. Why's that?

a-rod · Post #17 » by **a-rod** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:37 pm

KG doesn't run an offense but he still posts decent assist numbers for a big man. Why's that?

because hes a superstar, superstars often create double teams, KG is a clinic on passing out of double teams and finding the open man with the best shot, i guess his ability to frequently draw double teams has had a lot to do with it,

Superstars they suppose to make an impact and make things happen, i remember the lakers they relied on Shaq’s presence in the lane to draw double-teams...

So you're saying that if Big Z or whoever is made to run the offense, they'll perform anywhere close to Brad or Vlade?

First of all Vlade is in league of his own, as for Big Z and miller i just don't think its fair compare their stats, because they both have similar passing skills, ball handling, and court vision. but miller had the privilege to play in a well constructed offense, while big z did not....

yes brad is better passer, but the gap is not that big.