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Post#21 » by Worm Guts » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:15 pm

CJ_18 wrote:Adam Schefter said it best, ultimately it came down to shiancoe or whatever his name was dropping that touchdown pass vs the colts. If he catches that, the Vikings go up 23-0 and pretty much seal the win. And i HIGHLY doubt a coach switches QBs after a win.


The game really didn't go down like that, but whatever. Longwell kicked a field goal after Shiacoe's drop, making it a 4 point swing. And it wouldn't have necessarily put the game out of reach.
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Post#22 » by revprodeji » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:06 pm

yea, I agree with Guts.

The issue with tjax right now is he is lacking confidence. Any kind of confidence. Which is killing his ability to make a hard choice and play to win. Because of that (or maybe due to) the offense had to be trimmed down to have the same potency of Bob Dole. Whether the "Jackson problems" or the "limited offense" came first does not matter. Something had to happen. It was the view of the staff that the issue was Jackson. (shocked they didnt think it was them) Problem now is Gus will have the full offense and by virtue of that alone he will look better.

Anyway, to respond to guts point, the game was more than jsut the Shank drop. There were numerous chances for Jackson to put one in the endzone. I re-watched the game and there are many times in the 2nd and 3rd quarter that indy is using 8 and sometimes 9 men in the box. Jackson could not get it done so something had to be done. Schefter is just trying to create controversy. A 70 QBR is not the result of one dropped TD.

My issue right now is if the staff thinks Jackson was not ready, then why did he start the season?
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Post#23 » by sunshinekids99 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:37 pm

As somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, why not try to trade for Jeff Garcia? He was a solid QB last season for the Bucs. The deal shouldn't cost the Vikings more than a 5th round pick.
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Re: Tavaris Jackson benched, Gus Frerotte starter 

Post#24 » by hermes » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:46 pm

thats the million dollar question, i'd be all for it

whats the deal with his ankle injury?
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Re: Tavaris Jackson benched, Gus Frerotte starter 

Post#25 » by High 5 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:46 pm

I never understood why he was a starter in this league. He isn't half the runner he needs to be to make up for his garbage passing.
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Post#26 » by deeney0 » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:26 pm

He's a fine runner. But if we've learned anything in the NFL over the last 5 years or so it's that no ammount of mobility makes up for other failings as a QB.
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Post#27 » by casey » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:15 pm

revprodeji wrote:Anyway, to respond to guts point, the game was more than jsut the Shank drop. There were numerous chances for Jackson to put one in the endzone. I re-watched the game and there are many times in the 2nd and 3rd quarter that indy is using 8 and sometimes 9 men in the box. Jackson could not get it done so something had to be done. Schefter is just trying to create controversy. A 70 QBR is not the result of one dropped TD.

What he was saying is that if that ball is caught the Vikings probably win (which they probably would've) and then Jackson wouldn't have been benched. Not that he was any more or less deserving of it.
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Re: Tavaris Jackson benched, Gus Frerotte starter 

Post#28 » by High 5 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:53 am

deeney0 wrote:He's a fine runner. But if we've learned anything in the NFL over the last 5 years or so it's that no ammount of mobility makes up for other failings as a QB.


Not completely true. There is an amount of mobility that can make you a Pro Bowler and a playoff winner. Especially on a team like Minnesota where you aren't asked to do much. Of course you may be right with Jackson's passing inability.
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Post#29 » by revprodeji » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:35 am

Fact right now is that we do not know details. Is the offensive problems all Tjax, or the OC/Coach? Do those problems of the offense come from their crappy play calling, or is the playcalling needed due to Tjacks ability. Also, if the staff knew Tjax was not ready, why did he start? Pulling someone after two games means there is pressure somewhere. I think it is safe to say there is much, much more to this story that we will either never know, know during the offseason or perhaps the bye week.

Gus+full offense will look better than Jackson+limited JV offense. Is that because of the Tjax/Gus difference, or the difference in the offense?

This situation is messed up.
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