Is this trade useful?

[Preludepunk27]

You're full of it. Anyone who followed the situation in Houston knows full well that Bonzi and Jeff Van Gundy didn't get along. Just like Van Gundy and Swift didn't get along.[/b]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4395436.html

From the article:

Stories differ
What it does mean is ... well ... they'd better explain it.

"I don't think it's any secret that Bonzi and I have struggled to find common ground," Van Gundy said. "I didn't think it had a chance of working for the last two to three weeks.

"He called me about a week ago, and we talked and he wanted to give it another opportunity. I thought about it. We talked again on Friday and again (Sunday), and we're going to give it a final go.

"I think there's been frustration on both sides, certainly where neither one of us has gotten what we expected from the other. That being said, as I've told our team, it's not about me, not about Bonzi. It's not about 'me-or-Bonzi.' "

Furthermore, Bonzi doesn't have a very good jumper! It's his biggest weakness on the court, but he is an excellent post up player, and is a factor in the paint.

In which games with the Nets did Stromile fit your description?

You're reading waaaaaaaaay too much into my comments Stro. And I honestly think you're quote from Van Gundy hurts more than helps you. Like I said, Bonzi is a wackjob and, because of that, Van Gundy and Bonzi butted heads a little. But did he deny Bonzi wasn't productive on the court. His stats seem to tell a story something along the lines of, "yeah we got on each others nerves, but when he was on the court, he was consistant. It was just difficult to find common ground with the guy." If he had a "falling out" he would have worn a suit every game until Van Gundy felt Bonzi would produce. You are over analyzing due to your man love on Stro.

As for games, look at his game logs from any year he played. Always up and down. If he had any consistency or learned how to be, he would have done it by now. Stro is nothing more than 6 fouls to any team he's on basically for the rest of his career.

[rag-time4]

You're full of it. Anyone who followed the situation in Houston knows full well that Bonzi and Jeff Van Gundy didn't get along. Just like Van Gundy and Swift didn't get along.[/b]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4395436.html

From the article:

Stories differ
What it does mean is ... well ... they'd better explain it.

"I don't think it's any secret that Bonzi and I have struggled to find common ground," Van Gundy said. "I didn't think it had a chance of working for the last two to three weeks.

"He called me about a week ago, and we talked and he wanted to give it another opportunity. I thought about it. We talked again on Friday and again (Sunday), and we're going to give it a final go.

"I think there's been frustration on both sides, certainly where neither one of us has gotten what we expected from the other. That being said, as I've told our team, it's not about me, not about Bonzi. It's not about 'me-or-Bonzi.' "

Furthermore, Bonzi doesn't have a very good jumper! It's his biggest weakness on the court, but he is an excellent post up player, and is a factor in the paint.

In which games with the Nets did Stromile fit your description?

You're reading waaaaaaaaay too much into my comments Stro. And I honestly think you're quote from Van Gundy hurts more than helps you. Like I said, Bonzi is a wackjob and, because of that, Van Gundy and Bonzi butted heads a little. But did he deny Bonzi wasn't productive on the court. His stats seem to tell a story something along the lines of, "yeah we got on each others nerves, but when he was on the court, he was consistant. It was just difficult to find common ground with the guy." If he had a "falling out" he would have worn a suit every game until Van Gundy felt Bonzi would produce. You are over analyzing due to your man love on Stro.

As for games, look at his game logs from any year he played. Always up and down. If he had any consistency or learned how to be, he would have done it by now. Stro is nothing more than 6 fouls to any team he's on basically for the rest of his career.

You said that Bonzi didn't fall out in Houston because of falling out, but clearly Van Gundy and Wells didn't get along. And Bonzi consistent on the court for Van Gundy?

Here is Bonzi's game log for his season under Van Gundy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/325 ... ?year=2006

How is that more consistent than Stromile Swift? Not surprising that someone whose persective has such little basis in reality would not value Stromile Swift.

Here is Swift's game log from the Rockets

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/340 ... ?year=2005

He did pretty good considering that he only got double digit shot attempts 12 times. From actually watching the season, I know that Stromile was certainly in and out of the dog house, and was often treated harshly.

For an interesting chain of events, look at Jan 27 against Minnesota, then the next game Jan 29 against the Heat. Against Minnesota, he had a very strong game. He started, played 27 minutes, scored 19 points, had 3 blocks, 1 steal, and 1 assist. In the next game, he was rewarded for his strong performance by getting less than 10 minutes.

[Rich Rane]

In a long enough scale, Swift's had 8 years to prove each of his coaches that he could be a consistent post player and a strong defensive presence. All you've been doing here and every other thread involving Swift is taking select stretches where Swift does well, which every other poster here has said he's had stretches of being that guy people wanted back in 2000. The point here is CONSISTENCY. He hasn't has one season where coaches felt confident enough to give him any kind of burn. Sorry, but if you're a veteran in this league and coaches still don't know what player they'll get from you night in and night out, why bother trying when you can start developing the other young guys?

[rag-time4]

In a long enough scale, Swift's had 8 years to prove each of his coaches that he could be a consistent post player and a strong defensive presence. All you've been doing here and every other thread involving Swift is taking select stretches where Swift does well, which every other poster here has said he's had stretches of being that guy people wanted back in 2000. The point here is CONSISTENCY. He hasn't has one season where coaches felt confident enough to give him any kind of burn. Sorry, but if you're a veteran in this league and coaches still don't know what player they'll get from you night in and night out, why bother trying when you can start developing the other young guys?

Rich, that's not true. Swift had a regular role with Hubie Brown in Memphis. He would play the second half of every quarter. He would enter the game at the 6 minute mark of every quarter along with Shane Battier and whoever the backup SG was at that time, usually Bonzi Wells.

With Houston, Swift also had a regular role for the first part of the season, where he played the second and fourth quarters of every game. Look at Swift's game log from his season in Houston and you'll see that Swift's minutes were pretty steady until January, when he missed several weeks with pink eye. After that, he was in and out of the doghouse. I don't think Swift's struggles have anything to do with game-to-game consistency. They have everything to do with his inability to build successful relationships with his coaches, and with his coaches inability to build successful relationships with him.

Even last season, Stromile missed quite a few games for the Nets for various reasons, such as a stomach virus, etc. I don't think that has anything to do with Swift's consistency, but it has everything to do with he and Coach Frank not getting along.

[deviljets7]

In a long enough scale, Swift's had 8 years to prove each of his coaches that he could be a consistent post player and a strong defensive presence. All you've been doing here and every other thread involving Swift is taking select stretches where Swift does well, which every other poster here has said he's had stretches of being that guy people wanted back in 2000. The point here is CONSISTENCY. He hasn't has one season where coaches felt confident enough to give him any kind of burn. Sorry, but if you're a veteran in this league and coaches still don't know what player they'll get from you night in and night out, why bother trying when you can start developing the other young guys?

Rich, that's not true. Swift had a regular role with Hubie Brown in Memphis. He would play the second half of every quarter. He would enter the game at the 6 minute mark of every quarter along with Shane Battier and whoever the backup SG was at that time, usually Bonzi Wells.

With Houston, Swift also had a regular role for the first part of the season, where he played the second and fourth quarters of every game. Look at Swift's game log from his season in Houston and you'll see that Swift's minutes were pretty steady until January, when he missed several weeks with pink eye. After that, he was in and out of the doghouse. I don't think Swift's struggles have anything to do with game-to-game consistency. They have everything to do with his inability to build successful relationships with his coaches, and with his coaches inability to build successful relationships with him.

Even last season, Stromile missed quite a few games for the Nets for various reasons, such as a stomach virus, etc. I don't think that has anything to do with Swift's consistency, but it has everything to do with he and Coach Frank not getting along.

Let's review the bolded part of this post. I understand the players don't always get along with their coaches. After 8 years in the league and countless unsuccessful relationships with coaches, to think the players does not have a large responsibility in this is blind loyalty.

[rag-time4]

In a long enough scale, Swift's had 8 years to prove each of his coaches that he could be a consistent post player and a strong defensive presence. All you've been doing here and every other thread involving Swift is taking select stretches where Swift does well, which every other poster here has said he's had stretches of being that guy people wanted back in 2000. The point here is CONSISTENCY. He hasn't has one season where coaches felt confident enough to give him any kind of burn. Sorry, but if you're a veteran in this league and coaches still don't know what player they'll get from you night in and night out, why bother trying when you can start developing the other young guys?

Rich, that's not true. Swift had a regular role with Hubie Brown in Memphis. He would play the second half of every quarter. He would enter the game at the 6 minute mark of every quarter along with Shane Battier and whoever the backup SG was at that time, usually Bonzi Wells.

With Houston, Swift also had a regular role for the first part of the season, where he played the second and fourth quarters of every game. Look at Swift's game log from his season in Houston and you'll see that Swift's minutes were pretty steady until January, when he missed several weeks with pink eye. After that, he was in and out of the doghouse. I don't think Swift's struggles have anything to do with game-to-game consistency. They have everything to do with his inability to build successful relationships with his coaches, and with his coaches inability to build successful relationships with him.

Even last season, Stromile missed quite a few games for the Nets for various reasons, such as a stomach virus, etc. I don't think that has anything to do with Swift's consistency, but it has everything to do with he and Coach Frank not getting along.

Let's review the bolded part of this post. I understand the players don't always get along with their coaches. After 8 years in the league and countless unsuccessful relationships with coaches, to think the players does not have a large responsibility in this is blind loyalty.

That's why I said 'his inability to build successful relationships with his coaches, as well as his coaches' inability to build successful relationships with him. I agree with you, that both the player and the coach are responsible.

One thing about Swift's career so far is that he's played for a series of coaches who seem to be authoritarian and almost carbon copies of one another... Particularly Fratello, Van Gundy, and Frank.

Notice that both Fratello and Van Gundy were also both unable to get along with Bonzi Wells.

Yet Wells has also played for Rick Adelman and got along great with him. Stromile has not had the opporunity to play for a coach he can really mesh with and build a strong relationship.

[vincecarter4pres]

Wells has skills.

He has had many an important role on many a team and made major contributions.

Swift was basically used heavily by default for one semi-succesful season in Memphis.
Let's remember, Brian Cardinal looked like a star that year as well.

Sometimes there are significant players that just don't stick with a team for some reason or another, see Jim Jackson.
Swift, not one of these rare but coveted players.

[rag-time4]

Wells has skills.

He has had many an important role on many a team and made major contributions.

Swift was basically used heavily by default for one semi-succesful season in Memphis.
Let's remember, Brian Cardinal looked like a star that year as well.

Sometimes there are significant players that just don't stick with a team for some reason or another, see Jim Jackson.
Swift, not one of these rare but coveted players.

VC4pres, Cardinal wasn't even on the team the year the Griz won 50 games, with Swift getting regular minutes (second half of each quarter) and getting increased playing time with the injury to Lorenzen Wright in March 04 (the month the Griz set a franchise record for wins in a month)

Jim Jackson doesn't play defense.

[shrink]

Sacto doesn't need Boone; they have Shelden, Thompson and Hawes as bigs to develop, not to mention Moore and even KT/SAR on the books in the frontcourt. Also, he doesn't fit Theus' mold of a bigman (see: Thompson, Jason).

Could MIN facilitate this deal? They definitely could use a young defensive center, and could toss McCants or a lot of different things into the mix here. They have plenty of youth, picks, TPE and expirings that should interest either SAC or NJN.