OT: Bailout rant

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Re: OT: Bailout rant 

Post#21 » by FJS » Fri Oct 3, 2008 9:37 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:For school, yes. But here's the real point. The page has turned. We have been fed our whole lives that Marx was an evil communist. He isn't. He understood the natural and organic progression from agrarian society into industrial society into modern society. There is no evil inherit in capitalism, socialism, communism. We take progress as it comes naturally. No maxim of decency is being broken by the government buying the bad debt that allowed our standard of living to progress. The only maxim is that the government work in favor of it's shareholders, namely the American people. And this corporation's holdings are basically 1:1. You can't buy in more than citizenship. A new era is here. A uniquely now experience. It has no equal in the annals of history. We can worry about ducking and covering under our desks for protection from the Reds or we can forge a new 21st century, where fairness, work value, and universal security can be real. No one has really ever succeeded in our current scenario. America was a frontier. That's over. The new way is economic and educational freedom, basic standards for living, and opportunity based on ability and knowledge.


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Re: OT: Bailout rant 

Post#22 » by jazzed77 » Fri Oct 3, 2008 8:11 pm

JDubJazz wrote:
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JDubJazz wrote:What I've seen of both John McCain and Barack Obama, they do not come across as resolute men with an unwavering sense of right. Rather, they seem like they are willing to say anything they have to in order to gain the approval of their parties and their constituencies.


I honestly don't believe you will ever see a stick to your guns religious candidate ever win the presidency again. The melting pot has gotten far too large for that.


I agree, completely; but it sure made it easier to vote for someone who I felt would stick by their convictions, even if I disagreed with their policy choices. Now, I guess I need to find a new tiebreaker between what are, in my opinion, equally bad choices.

I've never understood this line of thinking....if someone refuses to budge on their views/ideas/policies but is constantly in the wrong, is that really an admirable quality? I had a similar discussion @ a dometic vioence conference, there were several police officers there(including me) that were asking why the women's coaliton did not support doctors reporting cases of domestic violence as they do assaults, an their answer was that "women are their own best judge of their safety" and they should "have the right to decide if they want to report the abuse" and I asked well if someone has been to the hospital several times for being beaten by the SAME person is that not showing that they are not the best judge of their safety?
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Re: OT: Bailout rant 

Post#23 » by jazzfan1971 » Fri Oct 3, 2008 8:40 pm

Well, I believe this bailout is just one more nail in the coffin of the USA. I'm mortified it passed. But, I did what I could. I wrote all my representatives. That's 100x than I usually do. And while I didn't expect it to make a difference, it would have been nice if the House would have stood on principle instead of falling on Pork.

Today is a sad day for America.
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Re: OT: Bailout rant 

Post#24 » by DelaneyRudd » Fri Oct 3, 2008 11:09 pm

Life got better after the new deal. Not worse. Or we could always go back to Upton Sinclair's jungle.
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Re: OT: Bailout rant 

Post#25 » by ColdBlue » Fri Oct 3, 2008 11:35 pm

There were better solutions. Congress got pressured into passing this bill quickly.
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Re: OT: Bailout rant 

Post#26 » by Duiz » Sat Oct 4, 2008 6:21 am

I am not really happy today. I don't want to talk or think.

Good thing conference is coming.
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Re: OT: Bailout rant 

Post#27 » by carrottop12 » Sat Oct 4, 2008 7:49 am

Duiz wrote:I am not really happy today. I don't want to talk or think.

Good thing conference is coming.


Wow, forgot about conference. Does anyone know what channel football is going to be on with conference on the tube.

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