Official Trade Thread (all trade ideas here. No exceptions)

[ChocolateThundr]

I am a noob in the financial matters of trades. But would you guys trade Pau Gasol for Caron Butler assumming Bynum is 200%. I personally wouldnt but Butler does give us that tough SF who is very versatile.

[Slava]

Along with Ryan Gomes, I also like Craig Smith on Minny's roster.

[shrink]

Along with Ryan Gomes, I also like Craig Smith on Minny's roster.

I think Craig Smith will have a good chance of being traded as well. Craig Smith is always going to be a limited PF because of his lack of height, but he's shown that with his freakish quickness and willingness to throw the his weight around, he can get his shot off against any taller opponent. He's got a great attitude, and the Wolves fans and front office love him, but he doesn't fit. Smith's height means he needs a good defender behind him, and neither Al Jefferson or Kevin Love fit the bill. I can understand j-far's interest with Bynum back there. Craig Smith is on a sweet contract ($2.5 mil this year, $2.3 mil in 2009), but since he doesn't pair with Al, I expect the wolves to be looking around at trade possibilities when December 15th rolls around.

Ryan Gomes is a player I like a lot, so if the Wolves would be interested in dealing him that's certainly something the Lakers should look at imo. No idea what the Wolves would want for him though.

What sort of package do you think could interest them?

I think it will be tough for the Lakers to make an offer that is competitive with other bidders, but I can probably provide some pointers. First, both Gomes and Craig Smith are tiny BYC players, so you're going to see another player attached on the Wolves side. If MIN is interested in a salary dump, that player will be Brian Cardinal (2 yrs, $6.3, $6.75), since after many trade since Garnett was dealt, he is the only remaining bad contract on the Wolves. If the Wolves were looking for value, the player attached might be Mike Miller (though he's a good fit on the wolves too), and I think Miller would be a beautiful fit on the Lakers. The Wolves are aiming for 2010 free agency, so they probably wouldn't accept a deal running over 2 years. They have potentially four first round picks in the 2009 draft, so picks probably aren't going to thrill them.

I don't really see a match on the Lakers. Many of your players can't be moved while you make a run for a ring. Odom isn't a good fit for the Wolves -- he'd be more valuable elsewhere, and I don't really see other assets that the Lakers could offer to make it happen.

I feel the most likely occurance for you guys to acquire Gomes or Craig Smith would be a three-team deal, where you sent Odom out and part of what you got back included pieces that would interest Minnesota, like a young, defense-oriented center. Maybe Odom to NJN, where part of the return package is one of their young bigs?

[shrink]

Maybe put MIN in the middle of a deal like this, if it is reasonable?:

It involves trading Odom, luke and Yue to NJ for Vince Carter and Sean Williams.

[Slava]

The reason I brought up Craig Smith is precisely for the reasons you mentioned shrink. He's got great attitude and isn't scared to bruise and bang in the paint. We really don't need him to score much alongside Drew or Gasol, he'd more or less have to hustle with second units of other teams and possibly fill the hole that Turiaf's absence leaves us with.

[Erik Eleven]

Good posts, shrink.

Mike Miller would be perfect to come off the bench, but I don't see that happening unless we ship out Odom to a third team that covets him. But a three way with a team that needs a shooter might let us package Radmanovic plus filler(s) for Gomes, you're saying? I like it. The question then becomes about what the third team or Minny offer in order for the salaries to match. No thanks to Cardinal's contract.

What about the guys we've drafted? Can we trade them in a package? I mean, I'd trade Sun Yue's potential and Crawford's along with Radman in order to get Mike Miller via a three way, for this season. Is he locked down until December 15th or something? I'd do it in a heartbeat.

If there is a non-rebuilding team with a medium size expiring and also in need of a perimeter shooter, we should ship out Radman without blinking if it could land us Gomes or Miller. Gomes is a pain in the arse banger that can make life sour for Pierce etc. Miller is a top two shooter, according to Kobe. Miller is not a space cadet and he at least tries to play hard nosed defense.

Would I give up Odom for Miller? Probably not. But I would trade Radman and potential x2 or x3 for Miller — in a heartbeat.

Gomes would be a perfect compliment to our current roster. I've wanted him here for years now. He's tough as nails.

[tkb]

Can't see a 3rd team who would be willing to be part of that. Most likely they would just cut us off and go for Miller themselves instead of Radmanovic unless we either ship them some additional assets or take some horrible contracts back.

If you're a contending team, the choice between Mike Miller and Radmanovic is pretty easy IMO.

[Erik Eleven]

I'd happily ship out some talent to make the trade fair. I'd give up Radman and any combo of two or more of our promising youngs for M Miller. Yue, anyone? Crawford? Mitchell? I'd even give up Karl. But the question remains; which team is the third team?

We'd have a roster that makes Odom's expiring a very tempting piece to tamper with come the trade deadline.

[shrink]

I think tkb is right, that a deal with Vlad and the second rounders/signee's just won't deliver enough trade value to keep the Lakers from getting cut out of three-way. With so many teams looking at the 2010 Free agency, Radman's third year hurts his value greatly.

As for Miller's value, CLE fans came up with this offer:

Szcerbiak (exp) + Allred (exp) + 1st + $3.6 mil TPE for Mike Miller (2 yr) + Brian Cardinal (2 yr) + Mark Madsen (2 yr)

I like the deal for the financial flexibility MIN would have under the salary cap in the 2009 Free agency, but the vast majority of Wolves posters would not do this deal. I post it only as an example where CLE and MIN posters are valueing Mike Miller, for whatever that's worth.

I think Gomes and Craig Smith (in a Turiaf-ish role?) will both be very avaiable to be traded once Dec 15th rolls around.

[LLcoleJ]

Dont mean to come late to the party here, but Josh Powell seems to be a good replacement for Ronny. I know its early and that opinion can certainly be changed. I just dont see the need of trying to replace Ronny just yet.

Or I could be way off-topic on your guys convo, so then screw me.

[Slava]

Powell is not as proven as either of Gomes or Smith and infact his offensive game isn't the same in comparison, so I'd jump at the chance to get either of those guys for pieces that we an trade away.

[Hoops23]

Memphis need a PF and Odom plays both the forward position.

How about a trade of?

Grizz receive Odom and cash from LAL

TWolves receive Darko and a future 2nd rnd pick from the GRizz

LAL receive Miller

The trade ease some salary of the Lakers considering their way above the tax land and unload Odom whom I think has some issues with Phil Jax.

[dockingsched]

if the wolves wanted that they could have just gotten it from the grizz instead of miller in the first place

[LLcoleJ]

Powell is not as proven as either of Gomes or Smith and infact his offensive game isn't the same in comparison, so I'd jump at the chance to get either of those guys for pieces that we an trade away.

But who would we have to give up for them? And if you say Luke or Vlad.....

I dont think we have the expandable pieces to grab guys like that. I know they are not top tier talent but I doubt Minny wants anything to do with Vlad or Luke and I would be hesitant to give up anyone else on the roster. ( not counting min/low salary players like Karl. Mbenga, etc)

[Slava]

Well.. the first part was to identify a player that fits your team and the next part is to find expendable assets. We've found the players but the assets is the difficult part.

Anyways we'll see as the season starts and if Odom starts playing well at SF and Bynum can't avoid foul trouble, then that makes Ariza expendable for a frontcourt asset.

[jcuuofd]

Ben Gordon + Andres Nocioni for Lamar Odom.

There is an article on realgm that says Kobe will be playing small forward this season. Why not trade Odom to the Bulls. They have too many guards and they want to get rid of Gordon. Nocioni is an ideal 6th man on the Lakers. Gordon would likely ok this trade because LA is one of the largest markets.

Lakers new lineup:

Fisher
Gordon
Kobe, Nocioni
Gasol
Bynum

[LLcoleJ]

So the value we get for Lamar is Nocioni ( we have many SF's and as you mentioned Kobe will be playing there) and a rental of BG for 1 year.

pass.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Just wanted to throw out an idea and see if you guys like it or not.


I was reading quotes of Rambis and Jackson absolutely blasting Lamar Odoms game publicly and the LA Times is referring to it as the "Odom Experiment". Judging by the posts and that Bynum/Gasol looks like your frontcourt, I think it's reasonable that Odom might be shipped.


We have Villanueva who is not really a Skiles guy, he's on the last year of his rookie deal.

Do you guys have any interest in Villanueva and our available fillers include: Damon Jones, Adrian Griffin, Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric (who you would probably only take if we took Radmanovic).

I'd have no problem giving you Ty Lue, but I don't see Hammond moving him, Ridnour or Sessions. So, Damon Jones or Charlie Bell are the only available point guards on our squad IMO.


CV is a bad defender, but he's a very good rebounder and passer, something I think Phil would like and he can really score off the bench. He takes too many outside shots, but has a nose for rebounding and scoring around the basket. If he only did it more is the thing.


Thanks for the input

[tkb]

I wouldn't want to take 40 cents on the dollar if I'm dealing Lamar, so I'd pass on Villanueva.

Rather try to get a player like Kirilenko or Marion if I'm dealing Lamar. Ultimate pipe dream would be Billups, but can't see Detroit even thinking about moving him.

[Erik Eleven]

Rather try to get a player like Kirilenko or Marion if I'm dealing Lamar.

Yup. Lamar stays unless we get unquestionably better by trading him, in my opinion. Those are two of the players that would make us better.

Ultimate pipe dream would be Billups, but can't see Detroit even thinking about moving him.

In my early RGM years, I made an ugly sig with Bynum, KG, Billups and Kobe in it. He is still the perfect PG for this offense, in my opinion. Although, I guess ultimate pipe nowadays would be Deron Williams for this offense. Age will start to catch up with Chauncey, probably fairly soon. I guess he's in great shape right now, though. He lost a lot of dead weight, I heard.