Vince on the block

[Revolutionistt]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... alk-081015

So mr. ford thinks VC will be on the move this season. Ill take the VC for Odom swap but im not really high on the clippers trade. IF you were going to trade VC what would you honestly think we would get in return?

[NetsForce]

If Carter is traded to the Clippers you don't settle for anything less than Eric Gordon AND Al Thornton.

[superLuigi21]

eric gordon for sure, i'm not as sold on thornton as others, i see him as a ball hog (mind you it's from very limited exposure to him)

Just keep tim thomas far away

[Preludepunk27]

I would actually prefer Thornton over Gordon. Actually, I really don't want either of them in our long term plans lol.

We've talked about the Clippers and getting Mobley/Thomas plenty of times. It makes sense on paper but it makes us absolutely miserable. If we could send TT someplace else and get a you guy I'm higher on than Gordon or Thornton, then I'd be totally for it.

Thornton/Gordon/Filler for vince is overkill. Net fans would love it, but Clippers wouldn't trade away 2 guys they view as cornerstones of the future. Even with adding Vince, they'd only be a pretender in the West. I don't even know if they'd make the playoffs.

[NetsForce]

^ This is the thing though...^

The Clippers are a team going nowhere fast, they're stuck between rebuilding and competing now. They should either a) rebuild or b) try to compete for the championship now, if they were to give up Gordon and Thronton they'd essentially be saying to hell with the future and let's try to win it now (at least that's my reasoning behind it)...

It's a tradeoff that helped both Miami and Boston win championships, but seems to have set Dallas back a bit... Without any risk there is no reward.

And for the record... I don't really like Thornton either he's a Chucker Supreme who doesn't offer that much outside of scoring but if you're talking about fair value I think that at least both Gordon and Thornton need to be included for Vince... I guess you could possibly replace Thornton with a first round pick... Maybe (since that first round pick would probably be a lower pick if the combination of Davis - Carter - Camby - Kaman lives up their potential).

[jerseyjac]

^^^offtopic...your hysterical w. your avatar and sig...definitely a good laugh...

[Alex_De_Large]

To the Cavs in exchange for Wally and Gibson.
Mobley and Tim Thomas is a horrible idea for the Nets, they win nothing doing that, same with Odom, guy only have value as an expiring right now and Nets don't need a player like him.

[vincecarter4pres]

To the Cavs in exchange for Wally and Gibson.
Mobley and Tim Thomas is a horrible idea for the Nets, they win nothing doing that, same with Odom, guy only have value as an expiring right now and Nets don't need a player like him.

So instead we trade VC to the team we might be competing with for Lebron's service for nothing more than an expiring and Boobie?

I don't think Rod trades VC this season unless the deal is absolutley sick, just for the fear that team trades him to Cleveland next year.

I could see the Clips sending TT, Mobley, Eric Gordon and a protected 1st for VC, Ager and a 2nd round pick.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How about to the Wizards for Nick Young, DeShawn Stevenson, Etan Thomas and a first round pick.

Young and a first gives value for Carter. Stevenson's started every game for the last 3 seasons.

[deviljets7]

How about to the Wizards for Nick Young, DeShawn Stevenson, Etan Thomas and a first round pick.

Young and a first gives value for Carter. Stevenson's started every game for the last 3 seasons.

I'd rather hold out for a deal that lands NJ more of a "sure thing" than Nick Young, but that's not terrible value for Vince.

With Haywood possibly for the season, can the Wiz really afford to trade Thomas?

[vincecarter4pres]

How about to the Wizards for Nick Young, DeShawn Stevenson, Etan Thomas and a first round pick.

Young and a first gives value for Carter. Stevenson's started every game for the last 3 seasons.

I have no idea why Washington would want to do this deal, unless they were going to unload Butler or Arenas and bring in a big man to compensate for the loss of Thomas, figuring Haywood is out, but anyway I agree with Deviljets7, I don't love this deal, but if the pick isn't protected it is very fair value, and then I like it a lot.

Truthfully, if the pick was lotto I would love the deal except the fact VC is my favorite player, so I guess realistically i would love it.

Stevenson is a 6xth man at best on most other teams, so he doesn't thrill me, and even though I like Thomas he is like a more experienced, if not less skilled Boone.

Basically the deal is Young and the 1st and filler for VC, which is fair and once again as long as the pick is unprotected and winds up lotto, i like the deal a lot.

[truth serum]

Not trying to start trouble...but I can't believe the stuff you guys think you can get for Vince. Vince could be valuable to a team like the Clippers or Cavs who need that extra piece/complimentary "star" to help them compete....but Carter's contract is pretty hefty (which is mainly why he's on the block) and he's notorious for not giving his all. That's the last thing a team who's trying to contend needs. Lastly, he's also climbing up there in age. Just a few things to think about...

As for some of these trade proposals, there isn't a chance you'd get both Gordon AND Thornton in a deal with the Clips if either of them, and that Wizards deal is even further from reality. You guys are talking like you'd have to think about that deal. If the Wizards offered that up to NJ, you better believe Thorn would take it and run. All 3 of those players (Gordon, Thornton and Young to a lesser extent) would be excellent pick ups in a Vince Carter trade, no doubt. 3 or 4 years ago? Hell no. But at this stage in VC's career? Let's be serious.

Deals like the one mentioned with LA for Odom is more likely, yet even though it doesn't help the Net's out much, I don't see why the Lakers would do that either unless they think Vince is going to work at SF for them. IMO, Odom's size and versatility does more for them at that position and in that system than Vince could. And that's not a knock on Vince...I think he's the better player...but Odom's game just fits better with all of the offensive options they have there. Once again, not trying to start trouble, but I opened this thread and couldn't help but to respond. Seems like I'm rambling on a bit now, but c'mon guys.

[Preludepunk27]

Regardless of what people who aren't Net fans think, our management doesn't settle when it comes to trading our stars. We ALWAYS get what we are looking for. In Vince's case, if we trade him at all, we will wait for a playoff team to start tearing at the seems and wait for them to get up a dumb deal for Vince. If we don't get an offer we want, we'll be fine with keeping him. He still puts fans in the seats, he's still incredible with supporting our youth just like he's always been since he came to Jersey. People forget how worthless Toronto was when he started complaining. Our team is NOTHING like that team in Toronto. As long as our young guys stay hungry and bust their @$$ for Vince, he's gonna give his usual 85% in games lol. I'm fine with that if we don't get the deal we want.

But I agree with you, Gordon and Thornton is not gonna happen. That's why too much for the Clips to give up. I even said that earlier in this thread, but whatever our management feels we deserve for Vince, we WILL get from a team. Does it sound arrogant to say that? Yeah, but we have that much faith in our management most of the time. It's not like we're the damn Knicks. They're just flat out irrational lol.

[ecuhus1981]

Nick Young =< Chris Douglas-Roberts.

If we're trading Vince, we'd better be getting a swingman that's CONSIDERABLY better than CDR in return.

As for VC's age, he's 31. He is one of a number of elite swingmen in the 30-something crowd, but somehow, he's the only one whose value is severely underrated due to a perceived "at death's door" discount.

Would any of these "he's declining, so..." packages seem advisable for Paul Pierce (31), Kobe Bryant (30), Richard Hamilton (30), Stephen Jackson (30) or Michael Redd (30)? No, you wouldn't find anyone trying to make low-ball offers for these guys.

[truth serum]

^C'mon...that's kind of a poor argument. The only one I"d rather have Vince over is Michael Redd, and that's because their contracts are similar (even though Redd's is still shorter by a year), and Vince is indeed the better player. Otherwise, I'd take Rip, Paul Pierce, and OBVIOUSLY Kobe over him any day. That's not even a question. I'll take S-Jax for his defense, passion and contract that expires before 2010 as well. I mean, really? It's not just about his age, but his age combined with his contract and his reputation for not giving 100%. What preludepunk said about Vince's "usual 85%" says it all. If VC still played at a high level like Rip and Paul Pierce, then maybe you can make this argument. Kobe is on another planet, and I can't believe you even mentioned him.

preludepunk: Isiah/Layden were irrational. Can't really give that label to the entire Knicks franchise these days until Donnie Walsh makes a big blunder, which I don't believe he will. I agree, Thorn is an excellent exec. You guys have made some smart moves, but we aren't talking about Jason Kidd here. Not only was his contract much more manageable, but he's still an excellent point guard that any team on the brink of contention would love to have. Once again, no offense, but as talented as Vince Carter is, he's in no way that type of player and teams know that. I think you'll get some decent value for him, but I disagree with all of you who think you're going to get multiple picks, prospects and favorable contracts in return. Thorn may be intelligent enough to hold out for what is fair, but he's not dumb enough to think he can rob teams blindly. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it plays out.

[vincecarter4pres]

I still don't see him being traded anyway.

He is not on the block just because of some ESPN writer's opinion.

The whole point is that Thorn is not looking to trade him, he will only be traded if a good deal presents itself, as in another team calls us up and offers something we can't pass up.

[S.I.C. GM]

I still don't see him being traded anyway.

He is not on the block just because of some ESPN writer's opinion.

The whole point is that Thorn is not looking to trade him, he will only be traded if a good deal presents itself, as in another team calls us up and offers something we can't pass up.

Based on what, link, that Thorn said we are not going to trade VC?

We have no idea with VC is on the trading block. We wont know until it is close to being done.

[S.I.C. GM]

If Carter is traded to the Clippers you don't settle for anything less than Eric Gordon AND Al Thornton.

I really dont see the clippers trading both.

Mobley, Thomas, 1st pick cool with me.

[vincecarter4pres]

I still don't see him being traded anyway.

He is not on the block just because of some ESPN writer's opinion.

The whole point is that Thorn is not looking to trade him, he will only be traded if a good deal presents itself, as in another team calls us up and offers something we can't pass up.

Based on what, link, that Thorn said we are not going to trade VC?

We have no idea with VC is on the trading block. We wont know until it is close to being done.

I think the fact he is the face of the franchise, marketing wise, speeks volumes about whether he is on the block.

If he was on the block I would imagine they would have had Devin Harris doing most of the PR stuff that VC is doing.

[S.I.C. GM]

^ Please they still had Kidd on most marketing adds after he got traded.