Fox - Glazer: Favre gave Detroit keys to GB offense

[Marley2Hendrix]

EFF!!! I caught the last 10 seconds of this w/ Jimmy Johnson saying how Troy Aikman would never do this, but i swear the gist was Favre was talking to someone w/ the lions giving them the intricacies of the gb offense.

again, during the first 8-10 minutes of Fox's pregame show and was a Jay Glazer report.

favre's newfound legendary tool status continues to grow.

[smacks1]

That is exactly it. Favre spoke to Lions official / coaches for 90 minutes and gave them the scoop on the packers offense and keys to play calling. Are we to think he didn't call MN and Chi too????

Hard to believe you can lose respect for one of the organizations all time greats so quickly.

Thanks Brett, it was great while you were here, but I guess you really are no different than all of the others. Glad you are gone, we don't need your type in our state.

[Marley2Hendrix]

"Jay Glazer said that Favre called up Matt Millen before the Lions game, and had like a 90 minute conversation with him. In it, Favre apparently went through the Packers offense with him, and "gave away" a bunch of info.

Not good if it's true. Just not good."

from another board. what a tool.

[worthlessBucks]

Brett is turning into my favorite player.

[zmanishere11]

FAVRE HELPED LIONS PREPARE FOR PACKERS
Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2008, 12:14 p.m.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

To the extent that any doubt remained regarding the status of the relationship between the Packers and former quarterback Brett Favre, it’s now completely gone.

Per Jay Glazer of FOX, Favre spent 60-to-90 minutes before the Week Two game between the Lions and the Packers educating the Detroit coaching staff regarding the Packers’ offensive strategies.

Did we say wow?

Glazer says that Favre initially called former CEO Matt Millen, who then put Favre in touch with the coaches.

In our view, Brett’s legacy with the Packers has officially been forever stained, if not completely destroyed – unless Favre immediately denies the report, and unless people believe it.

Wow.

The next question is whether and to what extent Favre shared similar information with the Vikings (where his former position coach is the offensive coordinator) before Week One, or with the Seahawks (where his former head coach is the head coach) before Week Six.

If so, Brett’s advice didn’t work. The Packers won all three games.

[smacks1]

It didn't work because he forgot to tell them we no longer have a QB who throws recklessly into triple coverage.

Get over it Brett.

[xTitan]

Is anyone really surprised? It didn't appear to help Detroit stop the Packers offense much, maybe the Packers have since added some bigger words since there new QB actually went to college.

[TheGhostDog]

Favre and Millen, what a pair of meatheads. Still, at some point it's going to occur to Favre that the better he plays, the better the draft choice he's earning for the Packers. I can only hope that paradox makes his brain explode.

[Jollay]

I don't know if it true, but I think some version of it is probably true. It goes on constantly in the NFL. Hell it goes on constantly in the real job world.

Who cares? And I would expect Brett Favre to do it, just as I would expect any disgruntled player who feels he had been treated badly by the organization to do it.

This is why the Vikings sign our players. Its nothing crippling or anything that can't be overcome.

WHY BRETT WHY? EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR 16 YEARS MEANS NOTHING NOW!!! NOTHING! YOU HELPED THE LIONS TO HOLD US TO UNDER 50 POINTS!!!

[Kerb Hohl]

I don't know if it true, but I think some version of it is probably true. It goes on constantly in the NFL. Hell it goes on constantly in the real job world.

Who cares? And I would expect Brett Favre to do it, just as I would expect any disgruntled player who feels he had been treated badly by the organization to do it.

This is why the Vikings sign our players. Its nothing crippling or anything that can't be overcome.

WHY BRETT WHY? EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR 16 YEARS MEANS NOTHING NOW!!! NOTHING! YOU HELPED THE LIONS TO HOLD US TO UNDER 50 POINTS!!!

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=171

Wrong board man.

Whether you wanted Favre back and supported him or what, you honestly are okay with this? If so, have been brainwashed by this player.

[Marley2Hendrix]

I don't know if it true, but I think some version of it is probably true. It goes on constantly in the NFL. Hell it goes on constantly in the real job world.

Who cares? And I would expect Brett Favre to do it, just as I would expect any disgruntled player who feels he had been treated badly by the organization to do it.

This is why the Vikings sign our players. Its nothing crippling or anything that can't be overcome.

WHY BRETT WHY? EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR 16 YEARS MEANS NOTHING NOW!!! NOTHING! YOU HELPED THE LIONS TO HOLD US TO UNDER 50 POINTS!!!

eh, it's entirely expected and should happen when the player signs w/ a rival, but hell, I almost feel bad for brett & this level of pettiness. I look at it from the perspective that favre should atleast have a few close friends still on the team (even though he seemingly made it as salient as he could that he's an old guy surrounded by young kids who misses his binkies (the frank winter's, etc), but c'mon, the WR core alone played balls out for you and their collective YAC was largely responsible for your resurgence then to scorn them like this... again, I feel bad for him as he seems to be just a douchey person

[Jollay]

I don't know if it true, but I think some version of it is probably true. It goes on constantly in the NFL. Hell it goes on constantly in the real job world.

Who cares? And I would expect Brett Favre to do it, just as I would expect any disgruntled player who feels he had been treated badly by the organization to do it.

This is why the Vikings sign our players. Its nothing crippling or anything that can't be overcome.

WHY BRETT WHY? EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR 16 YEARS MEANS NOTHING NOW!!! NOTHING! YOU HELPED THE LIONS TO HOLD US TO UNDER 50 POINTS!!!

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=171

Wrong board man.

Whether you wanted Favre back and supported him or what, you honestly are okay with this? If so, have been brainwashed by this player.

I'm not completely okay with it, but I expected it to go on at some level, and it doesn't affect us at all.

And my friend, I was road tripping in high school to Vet Stadium in Phily to see Anthony Dilweg lose 31-0 to the Eagles before you were perhaps able to walk. So I'm on the right board, and any defense of Favre doesn't by a long shot mean I should leave or I'm not a true fan. I waas responding to the topic.

But thanks, little man, for your suggestion.

[smacks1]

I would have no problem with Brett using this information for his or his new teams own benefit. What happened here is completely different. From what Glaser reports, went out of his way to contact the lions to give them this info. From an ethical standpoint, the lions shouldn't have even entertained the call, but Millen was trying to save his job. Still it lies 99% on Bretts shoulders for doing this.

For as big a personality he was in Wisconsin, he really is turning out to be a rather shallow individual.

[ReasonablySober]

It's one thing to share information with your new team. It's completely different to cold call other teams and offer info just to screw your old organization.

What a prick. If I were a former teammate I'd want nothing to do with the ****.

[TheGhostDog]

And my friend, I was road tripping in high school ... before you were perhaps able to walk.

Hmm, something about your choice of words seems awfully familiar... you wouldn't happen to be running for president of something?

[Bernman]

I don't know if it true, but I think some version of it is probably true. It goes on constantly in the NFL. Hell it goes on constantly in the real job world.

Who cares? And I would expect Brett Favre to do it, just as I would expect any disgruntled player who feels he had been treated badly by the organization to do it.

This is why the Vikings sign our players. Its nothing crippling or anything that can't be overcome.

WHY BRETT WHY? EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR 16 YEARS MEANS NOTHING NOW!!! NOTHING! YOU HELPED THE LIONS TO HOLD US TO UNDER 50 POINTS!!!

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=171

Wrong board man.

Whether you wanted Favre back and supported him or what, you honestly are okay with this? If so, have been brainwashed by this player.

I'm not completely okay with it, but I expected it to go on at some level, and it doesn't affect us at all.

And my friend, I was road tripping in high school to Vet Stadium in Phily to see Anthony Dilweg lose 31-0 to the Eagles before you were perhaps able to walk. So I'm on the right board, and any defense of Favre doesn't by a long shot mean I should leave or I'm not a true fan. I waas responding to the topic.

But thanks, little man, for your suggestion.

Your formative Anthony Dilweg memory kind of speaks to why you give the guy virtually unconditional love even though he proves he doesn't care about Packer fans like yourself when he's trying to sabotage his former team from the outside. I think the attitude of you and many other fans like yourself have turned Favre into the man he is today. Because people kept crediting him for saving the franchise he began to internalize that belief as fact. When in reality Ron Wolf (made the shrewd deal for Favre in the first place, in addition to drafting productively), the 19 naughty 4 institution of the salary cap, and possibly even Reggie White (lured free agents on Super Bowl teams to Green Bay) were bigger factors. But because Favre believed he indeed was the savior he thought it was justifiable to put the Pack front office in limbo for 4-5 offseasons and force them to waste 1st and 2nd round draft choices w/ no repercussions. And if there were, HE was the one being wronged.

[Jollay]

Okay, that was funny ^

Ghostdog I mean

[Jollay]

Your formative Anthony Dilweg memory kind of speaks to why you give the guy virtually unconditional love even though he proves he doesn't care about Packer fans like yourself when he's trying to sabotage his former team from the outside. I think the attitude of you and many other fans like yourself have turned Favre into the man he is today. Because people kept crediting him for saving the franchise he began to internalize that belief as fact. When in reality Ron Wolf (made the shrewd deal for Favre in the first place, in addition to drafting productively), the 19 naughty 4 institution of the salary cap, and possibly even Reggie White (lured free agents on Super Bowl teams to Green Bay) were bigger factors. But because Favre believed he indeed was the savior he thought it was justifiable to put the Pack front office in limbo for 4-5 offseasons and force them to waste 1st and 2nd round draft choices w/ no repercussions. And if there were, HE was the one being wronged

In a way it does. Anyone that saw Wright/Dilweg/Kiel in the 80's, and even prior to Dickey certainly I think appreciates more the tenure of Favre.

I would especially agree with you on Reggie White. I view his deciding to sign with Green Bay as just as important as Favre's contributions, if not more so.

Before him, no free agent would touch Green Bay with a ten foot pole. His importance cannot be overstated to the long term health of the franchise.

But who did we waste draft picks on, other than Brohm because of Favre? I would have drafted Rodgers anyway if that is who you mean, and said so at the time. And Brohm, to be honest. I don't see how Favre deciding to retire or not, which is every bit his right to decide, and frankly take his time deciding, is at all a bad thing or how it significantly hamstrung this franchise.

Second, Favre is hardly alone in being cocky or a little arrogant in being a successful pro athlete. Nor do I begrudge him a little anomosity. People forget this is a guy that was out there the week his father died or whatever was going on personally with him--sure, some of that is his ego, but I fail to believe it was totally all that.

For people to question my fan loyalties or call me brainwashed--or categorize me as blind with unconditional love--

Hardly, for that opinion.

[Bernman]

Your formative Anthony Dilweg memory kind of speaks to why you give the guy virtually unconditional love even though he proves he doesn't care about Packer fans like yourself when he's trying to sabotage his former team from the outside. I think the attitude of you and many other fans like yourself have turned Favre into the man he is today. Because people kept crediting him for saving the franchise he began to internalize that belief as fact. When in reality Ron Wolf (made the shrewd deal for Favre in the first place, in addition to drafting productively), the 19 naughty 4 institution of the salary cap, and possibly even Reggie White (lured free agents on Super Bowl teams to Green Bay) were bigger factors. But because Favre believed he indeed was the savior he thought it was justifiable to put the Pack front office in limbo for 4-5 offseasons and force them to waste 1st and 2nd round draft choices w/ no repercussions. And if there were, HE was the one being wronged

In a way it does. Anyone that saw Wright/Dilweg/Kiel in the 80's, and even prior to Dickey certainly I think appreciates more the tenure of Favre.

I would especially agree with you on Reggie White. I view his deciding to sign with Green Bay as just as important as Favre's contributions, if not more so.

Before him, no free agent would touch Green Bay with a ten foot pole. His importance cannot be overstated to the long term health of the franchise.

But who did we waste draft picks on, other than Brohm because of Favre? I would have drafted Rodgers anyway if that is who you mean, and said so at the time. And Brohm, to be honest. I don't see how Favre deciding to retire or not, which is every bit his right to decide, and frankly take his time deciding, is at all a bad thing or how it significantly hamstrung this franchise.

Second, Favre is hardly alone in being cocky or a little arrogant in being a successful pro athlete. Nor do I begrudge him a little anomosity. People forget this is a guy that was out there the week his father died or whatever was going on personally with him--sure, some of that is his ego, but I fail to believe it was totally all that.

For people to question my fan loyalties or call me brainwashed--or categorize me as blind with unconditional love--

Hardly, for that opinion.

Oh, I'm not questioning your loyalty as a fan per say. Just saying that the time period in which you grew up has, in this instance, altered your perspective for the worse not the better.

I was having a contentious conversation on the phone with my brother about this subject a few weeks ago. He's about your age I think (30's) and I'm 27. His somewhat self serving argument was that I didn't fully appreciate Favre's impact on the franchise, and thought the transition to Rodgers would be fairly seamless, because I had not endured the Majikowski and Dilweg years. Which actually isn't even entirely true. I recall back to 1987, so I endured about 5 years of Magic Man and Dilweg. My argument was the exact opposite. That the quarterbacks previous to Favre skewed his perception that Favre deserved by far the most credit for the turnaround and probabilities were the QB after Favre (Rodgers) wasn't going to be an asset.

There was nothing about the Green Bay Packers franchise that made it inherently difficult to be a quarterback here in the mid 70's to 1992. The Packers just had boob G.M.'s during that period who couldn't talent evaluate college prospects at any position to save their lives and we didn't have the option to acquire a solid vet signal caller through free agency or a trade made for cap space clearing purposes. Those problems don't exist for us anymore. To find out how difficult it was going to be to replace Favre with another asset at the position, you had to look at the quarterbacks around the league today. Rivers, Brees, Romo, Favre (himself), Warner, Campbell, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, P. Manning, Hasselbeck, Palmer, Ryan, Delhomme, Garrard, McNabb, Cutler, and Edwards; could all positively contribute to winning Packer teams, IMO. That's 17 of the 31 other starting QB's in the NFL....so even random probabilities were such that we weren't going to return to the Magic Man and Dilweg eras. And our probability was more favorable than random having a developed QB in waiting who had all the tools and performed well albeit in limited opportunities. Hell, at a couple points during the Favre era we could have transitioned to Brunell and Hasselbeck and it's not like our team would have imploded. But he never got injured to prove we weren't dependent on him. Brett Favre was an asset, an immense one at that, but was always far from the savior of the Pack.

[Kerb Hohl]

Exactly, and that is why I make this argument. Apparently the guy can do anything he wants for this. I'll try to think of someone comparable (Jenkins or Sheets? Driver? Harris? Ray Ray?) Somebody like those listed guys that have been here for a while. Obviously none of them contributed to this state in sports nearly as much as Brett, but they are really the only comparable guys. Let's say one of those guys leaves (or has left) and does this same crap. It is most relevant in football where playbooks, etc. are huge. Let's say Driver leaves in a brutal contract dispute in a few years and Minnesota does the standard thing and picks him up. Then he tips off the rest of the division on all of what we do etc. etc..

You'd be saying #@$)(* **** DRIVER!!! GET OVER THE CONTRACT DISPUTE!!!

I always loved Favre and what he did and trust me, I have heard/remember vaguely the era before this one. I think you can go the other way too and note the absolute loss of patience or sanity when judging this team. We have a pro bowl candidate QB in his first year and people are saying he sucks because their minds are so diluted. Personally, I loved Favre, but my favorite players would always end up being guys like Butler, Harris when he first came here, Bigby, Barnett, Kampmann, etc. It's just my personal nature to do stuff like that because I really like to appreciate the entire team and like many on here love to appreciate the little things that make teams good so that may have something to do with it but I would also always try to be modest in what Favre was doing for us. Guys like the ones listed would always be favorites of mine with Favre right next to them just basically as an unspoken favorite because he was basically a known commodity and infinitely appreciated. When we sucked in '04 I defended him to the death saying that he wasn't washed up, he was basically all we had at the time and his mentality sometimes ended up being the downfall but we still wouldn't have been any better with any QB outside of the top few guys in the league that year. Last year I laughed at all of the stupid MVP calls for him (the ones later in the year. Early in the year he deserved it but it was way too early to tell).

I honestly think that Favre would have to buy Harley, The Brewers/Packers/Bucks, Kohler, and whatever other entities we have and move all of their operations to Canada. Then he would have to publicly go on TV and rip this state to shreds. Then -- Ah hell, they'd all still blame Thompson for letting him go to start the whole ordeal and they'd all be flying Canadian flags outside their homes.