T-Mac may miss start of season

[myconsumerclub]

I feel bad for Rockets fans that they may have the biggest pussy ever to come in the league as their star player.

I'm guessing this is a banned user from the Magic board?

LOL..I am not sure if 'pussy' is the word to describe him. I think he wants to play like you said...but its probably 'lazy' that bests describes him b/c its pretty apparent that he doesn't do enough in the offseason to stay healthy.

For example..Yao broke his leg...had to have the surgery so he could play in the Olympics..had to rush to get there...but he played. 2 months later...he looks 100% healthy. McGrady had an entire summer and he still couldn't get his knee right.

I mean he use to only have the back issue and that wasn't really something he could help..but now the back seems ok and its all these other knick knack injuries that pop up usually when a player doesn't work hard on his body in the offseason. He said he worked hard on his shot in the offseason..great..but you gotta actually get on the floor to take advantage of that.

Wade has the honor of being the leagues biggest Pus

[b-ballwizard]

It is what it is. Because T-mac talks too much, some people are going to blow this out of proportion, but players miss games. It's not a rarity. Just got to move forward.

[TMACFORMVP]

Thats great and everything but why the hell do his teamates always have to "hold the fort"? That is not the point some people are trying to make. The man is just mentally weak and it is very obvious just by looking at his whole career. I know you love him of course because this is your favorite team, but there is absolutely no excuse for him to pull this crap nearly every season that he has been with Houston.

People gave me crap on the general board, for saying they might have to trade T-mac - but if he continues this then they might have to.

Look, I'm done defending Mac too, but at least be consistent in your arguments before coming to our board and bashing him.

Like Iggy mentioned, he isn't the only injury prone player on the team, Yao who's arguably our best player has missed more time than McGrady has the past couple of seasons, it's part of the game, McGrady and the rest of the teammates have had to hold down the fort till he came back or until the season ended and not only did they do that, but they kept winning at the same rate. Is he a pussy too, should we trade them both? Please, I get frustrated more than anyone when I hear Mac complaining about missing games, could he be tougher? Sure, but the fact is, he played on a bum shoulder and knee all of the 2nd half of last season and waited on the surgery in the off-season. He rushed back countless times last season and only made his injury worse, it's pointless so early in the season to rush him back when we have better teammates to adequately win without him in the lineup when that wasn't the case in the past, it was almost amazing that we won a game without him last season.

I agree, he likely could have rehabbed better throughout the off-season, but don't come over here and spout crap that isn't true when clearly you have no idea what the situation is. It'd be dumb to trade McGrady at this point, his value is at an alltime low, Yao is in his prime and we'd in no way get anywhere near equal value for him (McGrady that is). Say what you want, but he's still an All-NBA caliber player and why try to lessen our chances of winning when our best player is in the prime of his career. And if it doesn't work out, McGrady's contract expires, that's why people bashed your thread, because it's clear you don't know what your talking about...

WTF? Dude. You're either misreading what I said, or your memory's gone foggy.

Remember that 22 game streak we had? T-Mac played 2nd fiddle because he was hurt. Remember?

Of course Yao led our team during those 1st ten games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... &year=2008

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I think he mis-read what you meant, your post kinda came off like we went on a 10 game winning streak with McGrady not playing a single game, when you really meant clearly Yao was our best player by far throughout the first 10 games of that streak, lol.

[Baller 24]

I feel bad for Rockets fans that they may have the biggest pussy ever to come in the league as their star player.

Would have been worst if it was just him and no one else. We have Artest and Yao..don't feel sorry for us...we'll be fine. He'll be back. But we have the talent to hold down the fort.

Thats great and everything but why the hell do his teamates always have to "hold the fort"? That is not the point some people are trying to make. The man is just mentally weak and it is very obvious just by looking at his whole career. I know you love him of course because this is your favorite team, but there is absolutely no excuse for him to pull this crap nearly every season that he has been with Houston.

People gave me crap on the general board, for saying they might have to trade T-mac - but if he continues this then they might have to.

We wouldn't get equal value in return; and even baring injuries he has the most impact on the floor for the Rockets (did you know the Rockets without him have a .230 winning percentage without him the past 4 years?). And not to mention this is Tracy McGrady we are talking about; his last fully healthy season was in 2004/2005. Its been happening every year, and its going to continue, like he said let it happen in the beginning than the end, because in the end his impact might be so much that we might not even make the playoffs (check 2006).

[jove9]

We wouldn't get equal value in return; and even baring injuries he has the most impact on the floor for the Rockets (did you know the Rockets without him have a .230 winning percentage without him the past 4 years?).

I agree with everything you wrote, Baller, but Hollinger kindly disagrees with who are the Rocket players with the most impact. T-mac is third, at 44.

See my earlier post: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=844412

[jove9]

On another note, I think T-Mac missing the start of the season is good news for DJ Strawberry and Von Wafer.

Maybe both of them will make the team?

[franchise73]

Wow.
Yao has his surgery at begin of March,Tracy had his begin of May. Knees generally take a long time to heal,esp if a person isn't a 20yr old. Francis had his knee surgery back in early Feb-and he's still not practicing.
As to the pansy remark,I guess Tracy playing on the bad knee for several months and in the Playoffs,plus playing w/a damaged shoulder for a couple of months just shows how big a pansy he is. Having his knee drained hours before playing in a Playoff game shows how soft he is.
And like most players ending the season w/an injury Tracy decided to see if some rest would heal his injuries and then he flew to some obscure specialist to get a second opinion and delayed his surgeries til August and...oh wait,he didn't do that,he went under the knife immediately after the season ended.
His doctors expected a 6-8 month recovery period. 6 months from early May is....early Nov.
Of all the things to criticize McGrady for,not recovering earlier than expected from surgery is pretty f***ing petty.

i love you tisbee.

[tisbee]

Jove9 brought up a point about how T-Mac being in and out of lineup early may impact who team keeps. If Battier is still gimpy and T-Mac's out,Artest better prepare for 48 minutes,cause who backs him up? The door has been opened for Harris to start season on roster. That makes 14 and if Strawberry doesn't agree to voiding and signing a new unguaranteed contract,Wafer makes it as a temp 15nth player. It's either Harris and Wafer or it's only Strawberry as he can defend 3s and backup the point in an emergency.(My opinion,go w/Strawberry for flexability. Wafer is fools gold-I moved to LA a few yrs ago and Wafer was in camp w/Lakers. Played great in camp,everybody w/Lakers was talking how he was going to allow Kobe to cut his minutes,then real season started and his game vanished. He's shot 6 of 44 in his NBA career from 3pt land. When games count,he can't get untracked. Maybe he's changed,but I doubt it.)

The problem w/Hollinger and the other new NBA stats guys is that basketball is a game where the players are continually interacting w/one another. In baseball a batter doesn't have to depend on a teammate throwing him a bat before every pitch. Hollinger has no way of factoring in the little detail that prob half of Landry's baskets were set up by McGrady. Hollinger values high shooting %,offensive rebounds and steals and heavily discounts assists.(Offensive rebounds have over twice the value to Hollinger that defensive rebounds have for example.) Landry had almost as many offensive rebounds as defensive ones where the rest of the Rockets were pretty much 2 defensive rebounds for every offensive one.(Either Carl is very good at going for offensive rebounds or he's very bad at getting defensive ones.) Given Landry's high shooting % and high amount of offensive rebounds,his Hollinger score is going to be very high.

[Iggyemu]

A day after Tracy McGrady expressed concern about whether he would be ready for the Rockets’ season opener Oct. 29, he was so encouraged by his play in Sunday’s scrimmage-heavy practice that he spoke confidently about playing in the preseason finale Thursday night in Sacramento.

“Actually, I felt pretty good today,” McGrady said. “I wanted to really push myself in practice, to start today a push toward the game on Thursday. I came in here, did what I wanted to do, went hard and felt pretty good.

“I am (encouraged.) It’s better for my psyche coming out here and knowing I can get up and down and I can do some of the things I had trouble with earlier. Still struggling a little bit defensively, but I’m coming around.”

“Legs, just strengthen my legs,” McGrady said. “I’ve been working on my core my whole career. That’s the reason I’m still able to play. I was only projected to play this game four years.

“I have a slight case of scoliosis on my back. That’s the reason I’ve had back problems. That’s the reason I have to strengthen my core.”

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[MaxRider]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/spo ... 67601.html

don't trust what T-Mac said

[King Roosk]

I expected negative reactions from the board, and I think it's normal to react that way. Surprisingly, I'm actually not mad at Mcgrady. He's at a point in his career where hoisting the championship trophy at the end of the season is all that matters, and it seems to me that he's finally realized that. I could be a selfish fan and wish him to start the season and play because I'm so anxious to see this squad, but if he truly isn't 100% then he needs to sit until he's fully healthy.

[ShaY]

What crap you stupid haters , they guy is coming off surgeory he isn't faking anything.

And Jove Yao never led us to a 10 game win streak without T-Mac , not even close.

WTF? Dude. You're either misreading what I said, or your memory's gone foggy.

Remember that 22 game streak we had? T-Mac played 2nd fiddle because he was hurt. Remember?

Of course Yao led our team during those 1st ten games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... &year=2008

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... &year=2008

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... &year=2008

Ok but it wasn't without T-Mac , Yao was the 1st option but he didn't do it without T-Mac playing at all.

[Baller 24]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6067601.html

don't trust what T-Mac said

Bingo. Never trust what he says, I think we've all realized now that the man has a big mouth (sometimes that gets him into deep water with media ITS ON ME!, Damn it finally feels good to be out of the first round!, ITS MY FAULT, EVERYTHING IS MY FAULT!, This is the best talent I've ever had! ; quote 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and now 2008!). So yeah don't trust him

[moofs]

I feel bad for Rockets fans that they may have the biggest pussy ever to come in the league as their star player.

Would have been worst if it was just him and no one else. We have Artest and Yao..don't feel sorry for us...we'll be fine. He'll be back. But we have the talent to hold down the fort.

Thats great and everything but why the hell do his teamates always have to "hold the fort"? That is not the point some people are trying to make. The man is just mentally weak and it is very obvious just by looking at his whole career. I know you love him of course because this is your favorite team, but there is absolutely no excuse for him to pull this crap nearly every season that he has been with Houston.

People gave me crap on the general board, for saying they might have to trade T-mac - but if he continues this then they might have to.

1. This tends to be a sore spot on this board. Mark your words carefully, and silence is the best course of action.
2. I'd give you crap about suggesting an immediate trade of TMac too, as Iggy pointed out earlier it's best to keep him until he's an expiring before moving in that direction. Any suggestion prior to that is silly/annoying/flamebait (not necessarily intentional on the latter two, but trust me, our two stars are soft spots on this board)
3. TMac is injury-prone, and verbally idiotic, but fairly tough mentally. I've had a lot of the injuries that he's had (other than the back), know how limiting they can be, know they can be played through if necessary (which he tends to do when it matters) but DO hinder your ability. The problem is that when he talks about it, and because he's always injured and not a good speaker, he usually sounds like the biggest sissy in the world. It all comes down to, the guy. Can. Not. Handle. The. Media. ... Period.
4. With "holding down the fort", that was no doubt part of the reason we got Artest, for WHEN this sort of thing happened. It was discussed here at length prior to the trade, and I'm sure it ran through the Rockets managements' minds.

I still insist that Yao is not (yet) injury prone, he's just had some bad luck the last few years.

This is who we have hitched our wagon to... We get 2 more seasons to see where it goes. Its not like we are stuck for 5-6 years with a guy.

Also agree with both of tisbee's posts.

I agree with everything you wrote, Baller, but Hollinger kindly disagrees with who are the Rocket players with the most impact. T-mac is third, at 44.

I'd disagree with Hollinger that Landry was ahead of Battier in importance to our team, and that Landry is capable of producing that PER without McGrady. Landry's offensive effectiveness last year seemed to roughly 30-50% as an extension of McGrady's passing (though not his defensive and rebounding effectiveness), which i doubt shows up in any stats. How in the world to reconcile those situations statistically is anyone's guess.

[Iggyemu]

1. This tends to be a sore spot on this board. Mark your words carefully, and silence is the best course of action.
2. I'd give you crap about suggesting an immediate trade of TMac too, as Iggy pointed out earlier it's best to keep him until he's an expiring before moving in that direction. Any suggestion prior to that is silly/annoying/flamebait (not necessarily intentional on the latter two, but trust me, our two stars are soft spots on this board)
3. TMac is injury-prone, and verbally idiotic, but fairly tough mentally. I've had a lot of the injuries that he's had (other than the back), know how limiting they can be, know they can be played through if necessary (which he tends to do when it matters) but DO hinder your ability. The problem is that when he talks about it, and because he's always injured and not a good speaker, he usually sounds like the biggest sissy in the world. It all comes down to, the guy. Can. Not. Handle. The. Media. ... Period.
4. With "holding down the fort", that was no doubt part of the reason we got Artest, for WHEN this sort of thing happened. It was discussed here at length prior to the trade, and I'm sure it ran through the Rockets managements' minds.

Well said on all points but especially this. I remember back when he was becoming a star his girl tried to help him deal with the media better. McGrady is a really humble guy...he would never go and hire a publicist or a media coach because I am sure he thinks he isn't that big of a deal.

That being said...you made great points. He talks about everything and thats a fault that he has. He is brutally honest with the media and with people and thats a big part of why he catches so much hate. The other of course being not winning. Like you said he talks about every injury. When they ask him how his knee is..how his back is...instead of a simple...'they are ok'...he will tell them the truth and thats where he needs to better learn to deal with the media.

But all of that said...at 29 years old and 11 years in the spotlight..its hard to imagine that he will learn these things. The next best thing is for him to play and lead this team deep into the playoffs. At the end of all of this...I don't think there anyone that can name a big..have to play in this one...game...that McGrady has missed. He should get credit for that...for someone that is often injured.

[jove9]

Ok but it wasn't without T-Mac , Yao was the 1st option but he didn't do it without T-Mac playing at all.

Wonderful. May we move on?