We know Tt will never admit it. but for speculation purposes, does anybody think Tt may have drafted jones as part of the deal to obtain moss? perhaps, Al Davis mentioned to TT, he wanted him to draft Jones for him?
TT went out of his way and traded down to get an extra third round pick. it seems obvious that pick was destined to oakland for Moss.
it also seems kind of obvious that green bay's first two picks appear as if they were made under the assumption that the packers were going to acquire moss Saturday night.
Jones would fit right in with the oakland offense and the area. people have actually heard of him out there.
the more i hear about how the moss dea l went down , the more I have to believe the packers thought they had a done deal, and they would be sending their third round pick to oakland for moss.
But Tt overplayed his hand and counted his chickens before they were hatched. and the packers, as a result ended up with egg on their face for their day 1 picks. the Packers made a good recovery on day 2. but it looks pretty obvious that the Packers' day 1 picks were based on the assumption Moss would be a PAcker.
and I would Speculate jones would have become a raider.
Was Jones Oakland bound ??
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Was Jones Oakland bound ??
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Siefer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Actually, it was reported numerous times that Moss would not redo his contract for us.
He didn't need to re-do his contract for us. We could've absorbed his contract easily as is.
And no MajorDad...TT is not that thick to draft Jones for the Raiders. I trust TT's judgment right now, and even though I'm extremely disappointed we didn't land Moss, I am not ready to jump off the TT bandwagon just yet.
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Siefer wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Actually, it was reported numerous times that Moss would not redo his contract for us.
Jason Wilde of the WSJ,who is a pretty credible reporter
GREEN BAY - General manager Ted Thompson left Lambeau Field Saturday night convinced of two things: That his Green Bay Packers still had a legitimate shot at trading for Oakland Raiders wide receiver Randy Moss, and that Moss wasn't worth more than a fifth-round draft pick.
So it came as a surprise to Thompson when he arrived at work on Sunday morning for Day 2 of the NFL draft and learned - along with the rest of the football world - that the Raiders traded Moss to the New England Patriots for a fourth-round pick.
According to an NFL source with knowledge of the negotiations, the problem for the Packers wasn't that Moss preferred to play for the Patriots, or that they couldn't reach an accord on a new contract. Rather, it was that Patriots coach Bill Belichick decided after Day 1 of the draft to give up a fourth-rounder for Moss and Thompson wasn't going to surrender more than a fifth-rounder.
Another league source said Friday night that the Packers were willing to part with a fourth-rounder for Moss, but apparently once the draft began, Thompson decided the enigmatic wideout wasn't worth that high of a pick.
In his post-draft news conference, Thompson sidestepped questions as to why the Packers didn't get Moss ("Couldn't tell you"), whether there was anything he could have done differently to get Moss ("I can't really talk about stuff like that") and why he thought Moss, despite his character questions, was worth pursuing in the first place ("I think I'll just pass on that").
Packers pro personnel director Reggie McKenzie said reports that Moss chose the Patriots over the Packers were inaccurate, and that it was Raiders owner Al Davis' decision to send Moss to the Patriots. McKenzie said the Packers had engaged in contract talks with Moss and were willing to sign him to a two-year deal, as opposed to the one-year, $3 million contract he signed with the Patriots. Moss can make an additional $2 million in incentives.
"We were in the game," McKenzie said. "It came to the point where New England had the ammunition the Raiders wanted. It really came down to Al Davis' decision."
According to Belichick, the trade talks heated up on Saturday night, when he spoke with Davis and Moss, who had career lows in receptions (42), yards (553) and touchdowns (three) last season for the 2-14 Raiders.
"We felt like, if we were going to (trade) a pick that was in (Sunday's) round, that we would need to get that rolling (Saturday) night," Belichick said. "The wheels started spinning pretty fast.
"It was 2 (o'clock) in the morning. I could hear it in (Moss') voice - he was enthusiastic about it. That (was) great, (but) at that point, really, more than anything, we were just trying to get things done."
The Patriots got the trade bait they needed when they dealt the second of their two first-round picks (28th overall) to the San Francisco 49ers on Saturday for the Niners' 2008 first-round pick and 2007 fourth-round pick (110th). That fourth-rounder then went to the Raiders for Moss.
The San Francisco Chronicle reported that the teams came close to making the same deal Friday, but the Raiders backed away, presumably to see if they could get a better deal from the Packers.
They couldn't, and by Sunday morning, Moss was in Foxborough, Mass., where he passed his physical to make the deal official. McKenzie said the Packers never considered dealing the extra third-round pick they acquired in a Saturday trade with the New York Jets.
Looks like TT thought a 4th round pick was to "risky" for him to give up.We'll find out this year if Moss can still play,if he proves he can,Thompson will look like a guy who has balls the size of peanuts.If Moss doesn't look good,then i guess Thompson will look smart.
Pretty hard to believe though that Thompson would even bother looking into Moss if Ted thought the guy couldn't still play.To shrivel up over having to give a 4th instead of a 5th strikes me as a fairly minor difference,but hey,he runs the team i don't.
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Looks like TT thought a 4th round pick was to "risky" for him to give up.We'll find out this year if Moss can still play,if he proves he can,Thompson will look like a guy who has balls the size of peanuts.If Moss doesn't look good,then i guess Thompson will look smart.
What if Moss has 1 good year...then goes away? What if Moss has 2 great years and they win Superbowls?? That means absolutely nothing because Moss has gone to a team that is a LEGIT Superbowl contender...who is to say he would not have come to GB and been the same cancer that has rotted away at his past 2 teams....he is an idiot and if life is fair at all he will fail miserably.....I would love to see the Pats cut him mid-season like they did to Doug Gabriel.
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Just think of why would Davis send Moss to New England for just a fourth?...maybe...he believes that Moss is over the hill/creates more plays off the field than on it - in effect ruining an AFC team in New England. My personal opinion is that if they just truely wanted to get rid of Moss and felt that he still had "it" they would of found an NFC team for even a sixth or seventh round pick (sticking it more to Moss).
