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Post#61 » by rag-time4 » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:58 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Oh man, this is just getting sickening.

That 1st one was original, though.
I've never heard somebody say a player isn't selfish to describe his lack of rebounding skills. :lol:


Lack of rebounding skills??

Even coach Frank said that Swift's best season was when he played backup center in Memphis... Swift is 6'9" 230 lbs.... yet he has been successful as a CENTER! He is consistently outsized, yet his teams do not get killed on the boards!

As for the unselfish aspect... Some players will battle teammates for totally uncontested defensive boards... to the point of causing the ball to go out of bounds at worst, slowing up the fast break at best.

Stromile consistently blocks out but he also is willing to unselfishly get upcourt on the fastbreak rather than battle his teammates for stats. When you see players battling for uncontested boards it's all about being selfish and padding their stats. Swift rarely does that, because he's a team player.
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Post#62 » by jerseyjac » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:00 pm

SpeedyG wrote:I been eating PBJ and Ramen soup lol. Stupid economy. I even gave up my Jaguar season tickets this year. A friend of mine is thinking about getting league pass though, so if he gets it, I'll make my way to his house and force him to watch some Nets game (which might not be too difficult, he likes Harris).

nice!
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Post#63 » by Birth of the Cool » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:08 pm

well i'm hoping the regular season will start to generate more discussion.

I wouldn't be surprised now to see Lopez start ahead of Boone opening night (he's played pretty well in the preseason & Boone's health scare may want the organization to ease Boone back in). I think the 5 spot will be a good one for us this season with Boone/Lopez...if only SWat could learn from Boone. Boone knows his limitations & his role & where to make himself available to best most productive. SWat still seems to be freewheeling (so far I have Swift performing better than SWat & ahead of him in the rotation..only exception being the Nets organizations views of each players roles now & in the future for this team that might dictate playing time outside of performance parameters)

It looks like another year where Frank emphasizes inside-out defense. Guards once again having a foot in the paint and having to chase (w/ the SF's) outside shooters. Opposing teams inside out/ball movement will be key every game it seems. Frank is playing chicken to see if opposing offenses can execute (move the ball & make the shot) efficiently enough to beat the Nets from the outside.

Some good signs from Simmons lately to solidify his starting job. Devin had his best game of the pre-season really controlling himself well & making the perimeter shots given to him & attacking when necessary. Good decision making all-around last game, hopefully signs of things to come.

Dooling may not be a good PG but I'll admit he brings energy & scoring. Kinda like a younger version of Armstrong.

Outside of the 76ers game VC has been really good and has shown aggression & explosiveness (nasty reverse dunk vs Celtics, standing put back dunk & also baseline dunk vs Knicks..). If he continues this way in reg. season he is going to shock alot of people.

How big or little is the Najera factor ? What will Frank's rotations be like (pat down in a month or so or helter skelter like last few seasons). I think someone like SWat would benefit greatly from a Sloan/Popovich type of "set" minutes/rotations, then he would know exactly his role and when he is expected to come in & play, etc.

So-So schedule to start the season (against an injury plagued Wizards / a questionable Warriors team / tough Suns & Pistons / what I think will be a good Indiana team / small,thin,but talented Miami team).

Pre-season has shown that this Nets team is talented but young & prone to mistakes on both ends of the court, which I expect to be a recurring theme in the regular season. Watch this season with an eye to the future and you won't have to drink too much pepto-bismol. Can't wait !
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Post#64 » by rag-time4 » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:16 pm

Birth of the Cool wrote:It looks like another year where Frank emphasizes inside-out defense. Guards once again having a foot in the paint and having to chase (w/ the SF's) outside shooters. Opposing teams inside out/ball movement will be key every game it seems. Frank is playing chicken to see if opposing offenses can execute (move the ball & make the shot) efficiently enough to beat the Nets from the outside.


What do you think of this strategy?

Unlike in years past, the Nets now are loaded with bigs who can block some shots. (Swift, Williams, Lopez, Yi, Anderson)

There are still two softies (Boone, Najera) though Boone can block some shots when he is actually making an effort to rotate and help defensively instead of just staying glued to his man.

But with all these bigs the Nets can afford to play really aggressive defensively and put pressure on the big men.

I think the Nets should apply as much perimeter as possible and force opponents to put the ball on the floor and challenge the Nets shot blocking.
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Post#65 » by NetsForce » Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:58 pm

^ I like it. ^

The Nets need to play to their strengths on defense.
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Post#66 » by rag-time4 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:46 am

NetsForce wrote:^ I like it. ^

The Nets need to play to their strengths on defense.

What do you see as the Nets strengths on defense?

I see shot blocking as a major strength. Therefore, I think the Nets style of defense should involve the bigs as much as possible. I agree with your idea that the Nets should play to their strengths on defense but what do you think those are?
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Post#67 » by G_MoNeY » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:00 pm

I'm really starting to think rag-time4 is actually Stromile Swift, honestly. Either that or an obsessed fan.

Back on topic; shot blocking is definitely one of the Nets strengths. Boone isn't necessarily a shot-blocker but he normally has pretty good position defensively, especially on-ball. Swift, Lopez, and SWAT are definite shot blockers and I agree the Nets should force penetration and put the pressure on the bigs to produce. We played terrible perimeter defense this preseason so basically we have nothing to lose. With that being said, do I trust those bigs to contest and rebound? jury is still out...
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Post#68 » by Birth of the Cool » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:44 pm

rag-time4 wrote:What do you think of this strategy?

Unlike in years past, the Nets now are loaded with bigs who can block some shots. (Swift, Williams, Lopez, Yi, Anderson)

There are still two softies (Boone, Najera) though Boone can block some shots when he is actually making an effort to rotate and help defensively instead of just staying glued to his man.

But with all these bigs the Nets can afford to play really aggressive defensively and put pressure on the big men.

I think the Nets should apply as much perimeter as possible and force opponents to put the ball on the floor and challenge the Nets shot blocking.


I've never really liked it because NBA 1-2-3's if given open looks will make their fair share (why give the Antoine Wright's & Maurice Ager's of the NBA the confidence to knock down those perimeter shots because they can..).

I know many decried the lack of shooting in the late 90's / early 00's but imo it was the lack of mid-range shooting that disappeared not the 3's (everyone & their Grandma outside of 5's can take 3's at the NBA level). At the NBA level you're just playing w/ fire playing soft at the perimeter hoping that players don't make shots, don't rotate the ball well, or just make bad decisions/poor shots. I've felt the inside-out oriented defense should be in the playbook as a reaction to opposing teams dominating in the paint (either by scoring or putting Net's bigs into foul trouble) but not as the defacto defense as Frank applies it now.

From streetball to NBA level i've always preferred just man-to-man D w/ rules on how to rotate based on offenses action (breaking down player / screen - pick & rolls being the obvious plays to react to). Tunnel everything to baseline & have the 5 react to penetration & the 4 react to the 5 for help D & the 5-man D "string" go from there. Frank has rightfully said he wants to take away the straight away 3's (my personal favourite & easiest for me) and the sideline 3's (obviously shortest distance) but again why not see what offenses try to take first before giving them the 3's right off the bat.

Considering the Nets talented, tall & athletic frontcourt you do want to give guys like Boone / Lopez / SWat / Swift / Yi chances to block & alter shots but it starts with the perimeter D slowing down the penetration (NBA level you rarely will be able to completely stop dribble drive penetration esp. if simple picks are used). Have to also consider that all these guys are young & are prone (or Ref biased) to incur fouls and that would be another reason to "protect" them with Frank's inside-out Defense. Last thing you want is the opposing team in the penalty all the time & having to bench important offense frontcourt weapons due to foul trouble BUT my first defense off the jumpball will always be man-to-man & react from there depending on game situation.

This is one part of Frank's growth as a coach can be seen. He is a defense minded coach of course but I've felt he is too regimented in his approach to defense - too many times last year I felt the Nets were getting killed playing the inside-out defense but Frank was to slow to react to it as if he was assuming the other's team's offense would start to breakdown or that our perimeter guys would suddenly react faster or be faster getting to the perimter (under control)....we shall see.

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