Fox - Glazer: Favre gave Detroit keys to GB offense

[Neusch23]

To all of those who feel that I have made this a Rodgers vs Favre debate. That is about as far from the truth as you can be.

I have never said, EVER that Rodgers is hurting the team. I have said I am surpised by his play, and personally thought we would be much worse. As did many others who I know who work for the Packers.

They, and my self have been blown away by his play with all of the pressure that was placed on him, and then dumped on him when TT went against the opinion of many of the higher ups and said NO to Brett.

If Murphy was no here, TT doesn't get his way, believe me. Murphy basically had a clean slate, and went off of TT feelings, trusting his GM. He didn't have a history with Brett, but Murphy wanted to create one with TT. And he stuck his neck out there by backing TT decsion, and convincing the same people who put the nix on the Randy Moss Trade to back off and let TT do his thing.

To me, the reason I say we would be a better team with Brett under center has very little to do with the QB play.

As I have said before, I know that if we would have brought Brett back that we would have other vet players here that wanted to be a long for the ride with Brett, and take a shot at the Super Bowl.

We were the youngest team in the league last year, and still this year. Some vet help at key positions, especially on the D line, would have helped us win at least one more game, IMO.

This doesn't have to do with Brett, or Aaron. This has to do with the kind of team, and the players who wanted to be here to take one last shot with Brett.

No Brett, no deal for these other players, and we had plenty of cap room to bring them all in. It is very discouraging to me, that winning wasn't the goal.

I really think that we could have at least one more, probably 2 more wins. But that is neither here nor there.

But bottom line, as I have said before. This isn't a comparison of QB's. This is a comparison of teams.

I think that if some of these guys actually thought that Rodgers was going to play the way he is, we may have some of them, but no one knew what he could really do, until he got his chance.

I like his play, and it is because of him, and the play off our D that we have the record that we do.

[humanrefutation]

I know that if we would have brought Brett back that we would have other vet players here that wanted to be a long for the ride with Brett, and take a shot at the Super Bowl. ...No Brett, no deal for these other players, and we had plenty of cap room to bring them all in. It is very discouraging to me, that winning wasn't the goal.

Neusch, you're arguing potentials here, not certainties. TT has proven in the past that he doesn't throw money at FAs, especially those that only want to be a part of the program as long as Favre is here. Secondly, I'd honestly like you to name FAs on the D-Line that TT would've signed, especially as he TRADED Corey Williams. If you want to criticize TT's FA decisions, go right ahead, as we all have at one point or another. But to equate Favre's presence to a slew of FA acquisitions is incorrect.

As for your second point, you once again cannot prove that winning wasn't the goal. Murphy, TT, and McCarthy put their NFL reputations on the line by dealing Favre, and in doing so, hoped that Rodgers would vindicate them by WINNING GAMES. Do you think they traded Favre because they'd rather get rid of him than win? That's foolish. They thought they could get rid of a locker room diva and the media circus that surrounded his every move, along with his deteriorating play, and open the doors for Rodgers without sacrificing too much in terms of the win-loss total. And honestly, with the stats that Rodgers and Favre have put up thus far, I'd wager that they're correct.

[xTitan]

I, for one, am very happy some of these so-called free agnet acquisitions have not been made, Jason Taylor to this point stinks, he is old and has a name, big deal, his play and his heart is not in the NFL. If Jenkins had not gotten hurt he would be 4 times the player Taylor is this year, but can't account for injuries. I am also very happy the Packers have a ton of cap room, I really hope they use some of that cap room and lock up there own players who should get paid, the likes of Rodgers, Jennings, Collins, and Cole come to mind. I would much rather pay young, talented atheletes on the come than old, broken down has beens.

[xTitan]

What is the difference this year between Jason Taylor and KGB?....1/2 a sack.....pathetic on both counts.

[dedned]

If Jenkins had not gotten hurt he would be 4 times the player Taylor is this year, but can't account for injuries.

Taylor has had injuries this year. I think he's questionable for this week's game.

[Kerb Hohl]

If Jenkins had not gotten hurt he would be 4 times the player Taylor is this year, but can't account for injuries.

Taylor has had injuries this year. I think he's questionable for this week's game.

Sweet. I don't see how that justifies picking him up or dealing for him. Jenkins was already on our roster and got hurt so we have to live with that.

[Bernman]

Favre just threw his 3rd interception of the day against Kansas S***ty, which was a pick six that relinquished the lead for the Jets. Earlier he was incredibly lucky not to have thrown his 4th, in the red zone, which would have killed their drive and prevented New York from taking the lead. But clearly he would have given the Packers a better chance to win this season.

[Bernman]

Favre is the luckiest player in the NFL this week if the Jets still go on to win. Leon Washington had an enormous punt return on that last drive, that was culminated by a 1-handed catch by Coles or Cotchery. Washington has carried the Jets today in special teams, and largely on offense also.

[Thunder Muscle]

Yeah, Leon Washington carried the Jets today. I don't know why anybody kicks to this guy direct. Favre looked horrid for most of this game. He's looked pretty bad the past few weeks. Kind of like in 2005 and 2006.

[MikeIsGood]

Past three weeks he has 3 TDs vs. 7 INTs, in wins against Cincinnati and Kansas City (barely), and a loss to Oakland. He is definitely not looking good.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: Brett Favre is one career game (stat-wise) away from having a very mediocre season, and below-average among starting QBs. Yes, that 6 TD game counts for something, but how about looking at consistency? The rest of the season Favre has 9 TDs and 10 INTs, and an 80 QB rating - a rating Aaron Rodgers has been above 6 of his 7 weeks (and in the 100s 5 of those 6 weeks), and a rating that would place him in the 20s overall league-wide.

Sorry to continue beating this poor, poor horse.

[mbucks22]

I really don't see how we would have at least one more win with Brett at QB. Dallas was just a much better team when we played them (wish we could play them now!) and Brett struggles against them (need I bring up how bad he looked against them a year ago?), he also has always struggled against that Tampa 2 defense. Against the Falcons we were beat up on defense and couldn't stop the run, not much the offense can do there. Even with those two things working against us, we still had a shot to win that game with Aaron as our QB. But, the defense failed to stop the run when they needed to and that was that. So...where exactly would that one more win have come from with Lord Favre in green and gold? We're 4-3 and seeing as how bad things looked in those 3 straight losses, I'll sure as hell take it. We come into the bye week with two straight great wins and we're getting healthy again.

Watching Brett so far this year, he has looked...pretty bad, outside of the Arizona game. They have benefited from a cupcake schedule and still had to squeak out two of their 4 wins against bad teams, then their is the loss to Oakland which was ugly, despite only losing by a field goal. Yeah, he's learning a new system and this and that, but the fact still remains he has looked pretty bad this year. Just got done earlier throwing 3 INT's against the CHIEFS and managed to squeak by with one of those wins I talked about. That is not impressive at all.

I loved Brett when he was here and defended him at times when he really didn't deserve to be defended. But the day he announced he was going to retire, I came to terms with that and moved on. Was ready for the Aaron Rodgers era to begin. He sat back and watched and studied under a future HOF QB, he was more than ready for the challenge that was ahead of him. He knew the offense, had every offensive weapon from last year's 13-3 team and to this point, I would say that he has exceeded a lot of people's (more so the Favre nut huggers) expectations.

[Thunder Muscle]

...and the cupcake schedule is up for now. I think they have road games coming up at Buffalo, New England, and Tennessee. Throw in an improved St Louis team at home. If he plays like he has been lately, they could easily lose all of those games. Buffalo is going to come out fired up at home next week one would think.

[El Duderino]

Yeah, Leon Washington carried the Jets today. I don't know why anybody kicks to this guy direct.

My interest in watching the Jets faded fairly quickly, but whenever i do, that Leon Washington is making big plays. If i were the Jets, i'd run 2-3 screens a game to get that guy open in the open field, he's silly dangerous.