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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#101 » by BanndNDC » Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:52 am

Im quite pessimistic and think he should be traded. the bits we saw of him sure didnt scream potential for me. yes, he's 7 ft and might be able to shoot but he has the worst court awareness of any player to put on a wizards uniform that ive ever seen and might just be the dumbest guy on the team. he makes nick young look like a seasoned vet. ill be quite happy if im proven wrong. but he seems to have no tolerance for pain and no feel for the game. put him in the d-league and see if he gets better with some actual game time otherwise his only use is as the straight man on a team of jokers. then again he is a better mascot then g-wiz.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#102 » by Josh » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:41 pm

You guys are ridiculous. If your perception is right, that he sucks, then what makes you think he can be traded? Do you imagine that you notice things that the GMs of other teams don't?
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#103 » by MJG » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:08 pm

Josh wrote:You guys are ridiculous. If your perception is right, that he sucks, then what makes you think he can be traded? Do you imagine that you notice things that the GMs of other teams don't?

He's young, cheap, big, and has played pretty well in two summer leagues. Why don't you think someone would trade for him? It's not like we'd be asking for the world in return.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#104 » by nate33 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:11 pm

Wizards Exercise Player Option on Pecherov

Interesting. As it stands now, the Wizards figure to be about $4M over the luxtax next year. Pecherov is due $1.5M next year. Factoring the luxtax fee, Abe is effectively paying $3M to keep Pecherov. If EG declined the option, Pecherov would have been an unrestricted free agent next year.

I probably would have declined the option. It's not like there's a bunch of other teams lining up to take him off our hands. And we could still keep him around if we wanted, we just couldn't force him to remain a Wizard. If, for example, we declined Pecherov's option but subsequently managed to dump Etan or Songaila via a trade (freeing up luxtax room), we could then sign Pecherov using the Non-Bird Exemption for 120% of his 2008 salary.

Basically, by declining the option, we generate more flexibility with the only downside being that we lose RFA rights on him.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#105 » by Ruzious » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:13 pm

nate33 wrote:Wizards Exercise Player Option on Pecherov

Interesting. As it stands now, the Wizards figure to be about $4M over the luxtax next year. Pecherov is due $1.5M next year. Factoring the luxtax fee, Abe is effectively paying $3M to keep Pecherov. If EG declined the option, Pecherov would have been an unrestricted free agent next year.

I probably would have declined the option. It's not like there's a bunch of other teams lining up to take him off our hands. And we could still keep him around if we wanted, we just couldn't force him to remain a Wizard. If, for example, we declined Pecherov's option but subsequently managed to dump Etan or Songaila via a trade (freeing up luxtax room), we could then sign Pecherov using the Non-Bird Exemption for 120% of his 2008 salary.

Basically, by declining the option, we generate more flexibility with the only downside being that we lose RFA rights on him.

I think the Wiz made the right decision. I think the team should be in rebuilding mode within a year, so you want to make sure you hold on to a young 7 footer with 3 point range who works hard and shows signs of being a solid rebounder.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#106 » by LyricalRico » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:41 pm

nate33 wrote:I think his floor is that of a Raef LaFrentz or Brian Cook.


I actually was the first to compare him to LaFrentz but I would put that as a best case scenario for Pecherov. In his best years, LaFrentz was a 13 and 7 guy who would block shots and hit the occaisonal 3. He was actually a quality starting big man. It wasn't until he got to Dallas and Nellie made him a 3pt specialist that he started to go down hill (that contract didn't help either). But seeing how Pecherov is already focused on 3pt shooting, I think we have to temper even those expctations.

At this point, I'd put Pesh's ceiling at about the level of a Vladimir Radmanovic. I don't see him ever becoming a starter, though. If Pesh becomes a guy who can give a team 8 and 6 off the bench as a rebounding/shooting PF I'd be absolutely ecstatic.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#107 » by cwb3 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:36 pm

I really do root for the guy to succeed. . .I tend to root for really goofy looking guys! Thus I rooted for Ruffin, that and for his mind! :D I never did root for Jeffries tho. . .exceptions to every rule I guess.

Is there any good reason why the Wizards don't use the D-League to season their young end-of-benchers? Its been said a bunch in this thread already, but Pech is an ideal guy for the D-League, get him there to work on a post game, positioning for rebounds and basic defense and floor vision. Its not like EJ takes personal interest in big man player development. Hire an assistant and send them down already!
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Post#108 » by dandridge 10 » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:14 pm

cwb3 wrote:I really do root for the guy to succeed. . .I tend to root for really goofy looking guys! Thus I rooted for Ruffin, that and for his mind! :D I never did root for Jeffries tho. . .exceptions to every rule I guess.

Is there any good reason why the Wizards don't use the D-League to season their young end-of-benchers? Its been said a bunch in this thread already, but Pech is an ideal guy for the D-League, get him there to work on a post game, positioning for rebounds and basic defense and floor vision. Its not like EJ takes personal interest in big man player development. Hire an assistant and send them down already!


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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#109 » by Last Guardian » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:43 pm

Pecherov and Dwight Howard were born on the same exact day. This means Pecherov should turn into Dwight Howard, but with a jumpshot.
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Post#110 » by MJG » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:57 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Pecherov and Dwight Howard were born on the same exact day. This means Pecherov should turn into Dwight Howard, but with a jumpshot.

More likely: the big guy upstairs wasn't paying close attention that day and accidentally gave Howard two doses of Basketball Talent, leaving him one short when he got to OPec's room at the end of his rounds.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#111 » by NiteOwl » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:08 pm

Big Pecker needs to go to the NBDL and play 30+ minutes a game and play in the paint and quit trying to be the 7' second coming of Tim Legler. He is never going to get it playing 5 min a game every 3rd game. He has shown ZERO improvement since he first got here. He still looks like a deer in the headlights and is glacially slow at reacting to the rest of the players around him. Send him down and get him some PT - you picked up the option on him, so he is going to be here for 2 years. It is a total waste for him the be inactive or the 12th man. I would rather have Tony Massenburg for that role.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#112 » by LyricalRico » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:37 pm

NiteOwl wrote:Big Pecker needs to go to the NBDL and play 30+ minutes a game and play in the paint and quit trying to be the 7' second coming of Tim Legler. He is never going to get it playing 5 min a game every 3rd game. He has shown ZERO improvement since he first got here.


Great point. It's so frustrating that the organization would rather see their pick/money wasted than actually have some kind of development plan for him. I blame both Eddie and Ernie for this one.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#113 » by daSwami » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:51 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Pecherov and Dwight Howard were born on the same exact day. This means Pecherov should turn into Dwight Howard, but with a jumpshot.


If there was proof that they traveled through the same birth canal, then I might have reason for hope.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#114 » by LyricalRico » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:30 pm

daSwami wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:Pecherov and Dwight Howard were born on the same exact day. This means Pecherov should turn into Dwight Howard, but with a jumpshot.


If there was proof that they traveled through the same birth canal, then I might have reason for hope.


That would make them twins. Unfortunately there's already a precedent for one twin to have all the talent and the other one to be a mistake that is just genetic crap. In this case Dwight Howard would be Arnold and Pesh would be Danny Devito.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#115 » by Benjammin » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:41 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
daSwami wrote:
Solid Snake wrote:Pecherov and Dwight Howard were born on the same exact day. This means Pecherov should turn into Dwight Howard, but with a jumpshot.


If there was proof that they traveled through the same birth canal, then I might have reason for hope.


That would make them twins. Unfortunately there's already a precedent for one twin to have all the talent and the other one to be a mistake that is just genetic crap. In this case Dwight Howard would be Arnold and Pesh would be Danny Devito.


And here I thought you were going with Horace and Harvey. What a disappointment ;-)!
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Post#116 » by Munson79rip » Sat Nov 1, 2008 5:16 pm

Question: Does Pecherov Suck?

Answer: Yes
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Post#117 » by Kanyewest » Wed Nov 5, 2008 6:16 am

I think Pech is reading this thread and will drop 20 points against the Bucks

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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#118 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Nov 5, 2008 7:14 pm

I think if Pecherov played high post C with the starters, he's quite capable of dropping 20 against Bogut, Gadzuric, etc. OPEC hits that three with regularity. In preseason, he rebounded way better than McGee. Presently, he appears to be awkward and has no quick lift inside--can't finish around the basket. Regardless, I still see him at not yet 23 to be a lot like Mehmet Okur.

What Pecherov can to stay on the court better is hit the midrange shot, and while on defense establish position and not foul. If he hits the midrange and three pointers, and if he also defends reasonably well without fouling, Pecherov will be a useful player.
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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#119 » by Dat2U » Wed Nov 5, 2008 11:43 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:What Pecherov can to stay on the court better is hit the midrange shot, and while on defense establish position and not foul. If he hits the midrange and three pointers, and if he also defends reasonably well without fouling, Pecherov will be a useful player.


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Re: Does Pecherov Suck? 

Post#120 » by closg00 » Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:01 pm

Pech is the only player left in the dog-house. Tap doesn't even want to add him to the mix of combos.

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