marbury

[itsgotime]

Crawford is a better lockeroom presesnce though he is no angel, but Marbury on the court is better than Crawford. And Crawford has a 3 year deal.

Definatly don't want to trade Stack's short contract for that chucker's 3 year deal.

It's funny, if you look at JET's season before he came to Dallas and if you actually remember his rep as a chucker himself you'd think the two were the same person. Actually they are, except Crawford has a more SG type body which is what we all want JET to have for him to be useful on this team.

He's also 3 years younger meaning in 2 years when his deal is expiring and we want this current team to be blown up he'll be a much more valuable piece to have than JET.

[JES12]

That doesn't discredit the fact that Crawford BEST shooting year since 2002 was .416 and Terry's WORST year in that same time frame was .417. As a Maverick, Terry's worst year was .467. Crawford's BEST year ever 3pt% was .361 and Terry's WORST as a Mav was .375.

Since being in Dallas, Terry has never reached 2 turnovers/game...Crawford never less than 2.1 TO/Game. Crawfor 288 games...Terry 323. Their steals, assists are about the same. Crawfor had a slight rebounding adavantage and terry had a slight block shot advantage.

Meanwhile, Crawford just has an 0-6, 1 pt night in 32 min, Fact remains, Terry, for a smaller guy, actually playes better defense (and that is hard to believe) has better assist/to ratios and so on. Hell, Larry Hughes fits the description you gave as being younger and in a SG body....but that don't make him and better of a player or less of a chucker.

When it comes to Stack, I'd just assume waive his salary. When it comes to Terry, if we plan on downgrading (like in Crawford) it needs to be 2010 or before or we don't role the dice.

[itsgotime]

Point is, you put the same chucker that JET was on a team that has higher expectations and the player like JET produces just like JET does. You're telling me that JET is a better defender than Crawford? I say they are about equal, neither being all that good. Difference is you don't get pushed around as much with a 3" taller and 20 lb larger player.

Crawford on the Mavs isn't needed to be the top scorer like his is needed to be in NY, that's how he makes his % better cause he's putting up higher % shots. That's why JET is doing so well now. You point out Crawford's bad outing, JET wasn't all that good against Houston either, it's a wash, with the difference being that Crawford is most definitely the better, younger and more suited to the position of need player.

[JES12]

So you you are saying that Crawford won't take all of those dumb ill-advised shots if he switches to a Mavericks uniform? Okay....get me Smuch Parker and he can be the next Deronn Williams just by changing uniforms. It don't work that way.

Terry is the better player.....PERIOD! And if we downgrade him, it needs to be for a contract that expires by 2010.

[itsgotime]

I'm saying add a player to the Mavs that is less than Dirk, like JET was and is, and they defer to the better player like JET did. Also take the best player on a losing team like JET was and add them to a team with aspirations like JET was and the player conforms to what is needed from him. Same can be said of Stack coming here when he did. Jamison accepted a lesser role coming to a better team with deep playoff aspirations.

Players definitely change under those type of situations. Crawford doesn't strike me as an "all about me" type player while Starbury does, and you are wanting him more than Crawford? We don't want anything to do with Starbury and his antics, not sure why you would make a case for him while dissing these other deals as much as you are.

[JES12]

Okay, I can see your point. I don't agree with it, but I do see your side of the argument and it may be completley true. Know way of knowing that until he changes teams.

I don't think Crawford's action of getting the media's attention to Marburys locker was anything desierable. That tells me he is very, very immature. His on court and off court actions are on a similar wave as Josh Howard, but he is not on the talent level of Josh Howard either.

I'm glad you brought up Jamison. That is a prime example. Antoine was on the same level as Crawford mentally. Antwan was a very smart person and in the Terry mindframe. Antoine vented to the media about his lack of playing time and we got, admitted by you, a chucker in Terry as a return. Antwan did it behind closed dooors and we got Stack and Harris out of it. That is my point.

I think we will just ahve to agree to disagree because there is no way I trade Stack for a longer contrat if Crawford is the return and there is no way I downgrade Terry to Crawford either.

[itsgotime]

I'm cool with that, everyone has their own opinions and I don't ever really think mine is the be-all-end-all. I can see many things working out positively for this team except standing pat. All it takes is a vision and the balls to go for it. Donnie is saying to us that this team is and has been his ending vision for about 4 years now through his actions. I'm not sure I agree with him as to his blueprint being a success if the goal is a championship.

[JES12]

Lets hope Donnie is right.

[jwa1107]

Bravo Jes. Now go and call Mark Cuban. And I am being serious

I don't have his phone # and he doesn't respond to most of his e-mails. But I know where he lives. If I tell you how to get there, will you jump his fence and knock on his door? I'm still in Portland.

if you challenge him to JENGA! he will respond.
call him out...

[catalyst]

I can see his house from my office.

[jwa1107]

^^^
what about Russia?
can you see that too?