Official Game Thread: Nets 97 Warriors 105 Final (Game 2)

[Adam1221]

You guys have to understand we're not really a good team at all, even when the odds are going for us a W isnt gauranteed at all so predicting a W or a L is futile.
Of course a W will be nice because were clearly not winning the 2 games after this one but still.

Either way this is the fun part of rebuilding no pressure whatsoever!

[Nets9]

Nets win! ....

[G_MoNeY]

You guys have to understand we're not really a good team at all, even when the odds are going for us a W isnt gauranteed at all so predicting a W or a L is futile.
Of course a W will be nice because were clearly not winning the 2 games after this one but still.

Either way this is the fun part of rebuilding no pressure whatsoever!

the next 2 games depends on how we play this game, IMO. If our confidence is high, we could steal 1 of the 2 hopefully. We could also win the 3 following that. Have a 5-2 record going into the middle of November.

[vincecarter4pres]

You guys have to understand we're not really a good team at all, even when the odds are going for us a W isnt gauranteed at all

Agreed.

We have all the pieces and potential to become a good team, maybe as early as midseason, but we are going to have to play our azes off till the break just to be a game or two below .500

[etopn23]

VC with the three and steal already.

[vincecarter4pres]

Golden State's offense is the same old run and gun.
Fun to watch.

[vincecarter4pres]

I believe Boone has made 3 free throws in a row, the sky is falling.

[hisairness]

I honestly don't remember last time i screamed "wtf are you thinking?" as many times as i did watching this game, watching young guys develop is a pain.

[Da big3]

oh man we are blowing a stinker, c'mon harris, were is that rising star thing that the we are expecting, step up, 15pt lead, gotta climb back and show resilency...

[hisairness]

josh boone should just drop "n" and "e" from his last name, bcuz that's what i wanna do when i watch him blow layups

[vincecarter4pres]

This game has honestly been painful to watch, and now adding insult to injury VC comes out of the game with 5 minutes left clutching his wrist.

[vincecarter4pres]

Wow, he really looks like he is in pain.

If he goes out for any amount of time say hello to a top 3 pick.

He had the same look on his face that I did everytime Boone got the ball in the post.

[vincecarter4pres]

Gotta get that rebound!

Daaaaaaammmmmnnnnnnn!

[G_MoNeY]

it was a finger that got jammed, xrays were negative.

Frank really needs to stop the hate on Sean Williams. Biedrins looked like an all-star and Williams' length could've caused a problem for GS. Especially on the 2nd chance points and offensive rebounds they were getting.

With that being said, we played awful and were still in the game. Chalk up the next 2 as losses heading to Indiana.

[vincecarter4pres]

it was a finger that got jammed, xrays were negative.

Frank really needs to stop the hate on Sean Williams. Biedrins looked like an all-star and Williams' length could've caused a problem for GS. Especially on the 2nd chance points and offensive rebounds they were getting.

With that being said, we played awful and were still in the game. Chalk up the next 2 as losses heading to Indiana.

I had a feeling it was a jammed finger, because when the camera man went to him and the trainer on the bench he was wincing in pain when the trainer was messing with his hand. You couldn't really see what he was doing to VC's hand, but I had a feeling he was pulling his finger to try to pop a jam.

You know what though, I was thinking similarly about Biedrins looking like an allstar, but how often does this guy make 7 out of 8 from the line?
I don't know that Sean would have made much of a difference, but at the same time I guess this is one of those good matchups for Sean that I was taliking about in the other thread, figuring he isn;t giving up much size and strength to a guy like Biedrins.

Lopez put up nice numbers in limited minutes, but the limited minutes were because of foul trouble.
Then again 2 of those foul calls were straight up BS.

Boone beasted on the glass, including 9 offensive rebounds, and he was a good shotblocker once again, although he looked like he was giving up too much in position and length, further strengthening the arguement he should be playing the 4 and not the 5.
He also had 17 points, although that was a little decieving, considering the fact he blew about 3 easy ones that he didn't get back.

Devin looked like crap.
Straight up.

He needs to rally get his stuff together, become more focused, become more agressive yet pick his spots better and overall he has to, has to, make better decisions.

[Birth of the Cool]

3rd quarter collapse. Deja-Vu & here I thought this was a new team.

Vince - this is what I was saying about him. Consistency will be the key this year. He's been aggressive in attacking the paint the first two games and was brilliant in the 1st half but all but disappeared in the 2nd half - he seemed to let the refs calls take him out of his game. I also disliked the classic VC-Injury stuff, glad he came back in the game & hope all is well but he's got to hide the stuff better but maybe that will always be part of who he is. Will be looking at him next game to see if he stays aggressive - if he does this will be a great year for him, if not some questions will arise. All that said his effort was there & he was one of the better Nets last night - that dunk off the CDR alley-oop was rather vicious.

Boone - monster night (17pts on 7-15, 14 rbs with 9 of the offensive glass, 3 bs, 2 assists, 3-4 from the line)....but I expect alot of people came out of the game frustrated with him because Biedrins was working him over & he missed alot of "chippy" shots which is normally his forte and it always seemed to come just when the Nets were coming back - that is what people will remember about Boone here.
Will Frank insert Lopez into the starting line up to play Shaq (or let the Lopez brothers battle it out)...I know the answer but Turiaf / Biedrins has already exposed Boone's weaknesses on defense and Shaq will be more than a handful on the glass.

Devin - he & VC are the best penetrators in a team full of shooters but he seems confused as to when to call his own name and he hasn't done a great job creating for his teammates. Once he finds his niche & comfort zone in this offense & w/ these teammates I think he will show vast improvement. His full-court lockdown D is still in Dallas I suppose.

Simmons - good D but if he isn't hitting his corner 3's he's pretty much useless on O. I liked Lopez & Najera (instead of Boone / Simmons) in the starting line-up and hope I can see that starting line-up one day to see how it clicks.

Yi - uhm, active on the boards....like I said previously, he's right now a one-dimensional player on offense & it just wasn't his night. The tried to post him up & he immediately gave up the ball. I'd like to see more post up's for Yi - when he gets the ball in the low block he should immediately face up his man - now he's immediately a threat to take the mid-range jumpshot or if played too tightly to take away the jumpshot he has the skills to penetrate & be at the rim in a second - puts alot of pressure on Defenses and gives him another looks other than the perimeter game.

So SWat looked a bit disinterested on the bench there. Frank wants to win & SWat might not be the best fit for Frank's immediate needs & frankly it's Frank's job on the line when losses pile up but it's a given this is a rebuilding , non-contending team & even if it results in more losses Frank has to find a way to give SWat meaningful minutes - Mgmt just picked up SWat's option (news now saying SWat wasn't happy they did so....) so obviously the believe he has a good NBA career in the future - well Frank needs to let Mgmt find this out. It's not easy but Frank's gotta find a way to get him legitimate playing time (not just dead minutes).

I did think all the "50/50" calls seemed to go against the Nets but give the Warriors credit - they actually had very active hands on defense , redirecting & stopping alot of passes. Jackson heated up at the wrong time (that steal off inbound play & cold-hearted 3 was brutal). Biedrins was great & even hit his FT's. Maggette did his FT game thing & Azubuike was a nice lift from the bench.

It's disappointing that Nets loss this as it was a winnable game on paper which is hard to come by & also at home vs a Warriors team coming off a tough OT loss in Toronto but at least they didn't give up even down by plenty late in the 4th and well there are going to be games like this all year as this is the Nets - very unlikely but hopefully they can steal 1 of the next 2 games (Suns, Pistons), I'd just be happy with them be competitive in either game.

EDIT: just wanted to add from what I said on previous posts - this may be on the worst fastbreak teams in the league. Outside of Devin there is no one that can run (maybe Yi) the fastbreak consistently - this will hurt them all year long where they can't create easy buckets for themselves - have to work for everything....sigh - on that note: props to Maggette for the failed fastbreak attempt & hurdling over that lady in the front row !

[EFF]

Actually i think Yi can run with the team. If Sean ever gets any time, he will run too. Then we have a guy like keyon.

Boone had a nice night statistically, but he looked pathetic again beidrins. i had a feeling that was gonna happen. It was just sad when beidrins just grabbed the ball from right over boone. Maybe that was an over the back but ive seen worse. Also, a bunch of boone's points and rebounds were at the end while we were hacking away so im not that high on his game yet.

Sean may have been a better matchup with beidrins, but because of lack of court awareness so far, beidrins may have been a bit too active for him. But at the same time, his athleticism would have definitely bothered beidrins at least contesting his layups.

I feel like devin just doesn't know how to fit in yet. This is a completely subjective observation but his game seems aloof like he's doing his own thing on some other imaginary team. It feels like he's playing on a different court. He'll get it together though. He's basically gone through 2 team and 2 system changes in less than a year. Can't blame him for a few off games in the beginning, but it's still not very encouraging.

Also, so i get that Yi would probably be a liability in D if he played the 3 spot. Out of curiosity though, is Bobby Simmons any quicker on D that he could play the 3 but not Yi? I've always perceived him to be a relatively sedentary player while I've always thought Yi to be pretty quick and athletic

[rag-time4]

3rd quarter collapse. Deja-Vu & here I thought this was a new team.



Boone - monster night (17pts on 7-15, 14 rbs with 9 of the offensive glass, 3 bs, 2 assists, 3-4 from the line)....but I expect alot of people came out of the game frustrated with him because Biedrins was working him over & he missed alot of "chippy" shots which is normally his forte and it always seemed to come just when the Nets were coming back - that is what people will remember about Boone here.
Will Frank insert Lopez into the starting line up to play Shaq (or let the Lopez brothers battle it out)...I know the answer but Turiaf / Biedrins has already exposed Boone's weaknesses on defense and Shaq will be more than a handful on the glass.

Give credit to Boone for playing hard in the second half. His play was a big part in keeping the Nets close. If he had only played the first half, it would have been a horrible game for him.

If i wanted to be an idiot, I could criticize his consistentsy for playing poorly in one half and good in the other... but really it's a product of getting minutes and an opportunity to turn things around when you're not having a good game. Ahhhh the luxury of playing time....

And if Turiaf and Biedrins are exposing your weaknesses on defense you have a lot of weaknesses....

[jerseyjac]

3rd quarter collapse. Deja-Vu & here I thought this was a new team.

Vince - this is what I was saying about him. Consistency will be the key this year. He's been aggressive in attacking the paint the first two games and was brilliant in the 1st half but all but disappeared in the 2nd half - he seemed to let the refs calls take him out of his game. I also disliked the classic VC-Injury stuff, glad he came back in the game & hope all is well but he's got to hide the stuff better but maybe that will always be part of who he is. Will be looking at him next game to see if he stays aggressive - if he does this will be a great year for him, if not some questions will arise. All that said his effort was there & he was one of the better Nets last night - that dunk off the CDR alley-oop was rather vicious.

Boone - monster night (17pts on 7-15, 14 rbs with 9 of the offensive glass, 3 bs, 2 assists, 3-4 from the line)....but I expect alot of people came out of the game frustrated with him because Biedrins was working him over & he missed alot of "chippy" shots which is normally his forte and it always seemed to come just when the Nets were coming back - that is what people will remember about Boone here.
Will Frank insert Lopez into the starting line up to play Shaq (or let the Lopez brothers battle it out)...I know the answer but Turiaf / Biedrins has already exposed Boone's weaknesses on defense and Shaq will be more than a handful on the glass.

Devin - he & VC are the best penetrators in a team full of shooters but he seems confused as to when to call his own name and he hasn't done a great job creating for his teammates. Once he finds his niche & comfort zone in this offense & w/ these teammates I think he will show vast improvement. His full-court lockdown D is still in Dallas I suppose.

Simmons - good D but if he isn't hitting his corner 3's he's pretty much useless on O. I liked Lopez & Najera (instead of Boone / Simmons) in the starting line-up and hope I can see that starting line-up one day to see how it clicks.

Yi - uhm, active on the boards....like I said previously, he's right now a one-dimensional player on offense & it just wasn't his night. The tried to post him up & he immediately gave up the ball. I'd like to see more post up's for Yi - when he gets the ball in the low block he should immediately face up his man - now he's immediately a threat to take the mid-range jumpshot or if played too tightly to take away the jumpshot he has the skills to penetrate & be at the rim in a second - puts alot of pressure on Defenses and gives him another looks other than the perimeter game.

So SWat looked a bit disinterested on the bench there. Frank wants to win & SWat might not be the best fit for Frank's immediate needs & frankly it's Frank's job on the line when losses pile up but it's a given this is a rebuilding , non-contending team & even if it results in more losses Frank has to find a way to give SWat meaningful minutes - Mgmt just picked up SWat's option (news now saying SWat wasn't happy they did so....) so obviously the believe he has a good NBA career in the future - well Frank needs to let Mgmt find this out. It's not easy but Frank's gotta find a way to get him legitimate playing time (not just dead minutes).

I did think all the "50/50" calls seemed to go against the Nets but give the Warriors credit - they actually had very active hands on defense , redirecting & stopping alot of passes. Jackson heated up at the wrong time (that steal off inbound play & cold-hearted 3 was brutal). Biedrins was great & even hit his FT's. Maggette did his FT game thing & Azubuike was a nice lift from the bench.

It's disappointing that Nets loss this as it was a winnable game on paper which is hard to come by & also at home vs a Warriors team coming off a tough OT loss in Toronto but at least they didn't give up even down by plenty late in the 4th and well there are going to be games like this all year as this is the Nets - very unlikely but hopefully they can steal 1 of the next 2 games (Suns, Pistons), I'd just be happy with them be competitive in either game.

EDIT: just wanted to add from what I said on previous posts - this may be on the worst fastbreak teams in the league. Outside of Devin there is no one that can run (maybe Yi) the fastbreak consistently - this will hurt them all year long where they can't create easy buckets for themselves - have to work for everything....sigh - on that note: props to Maggette for the failed fastbreak attempt & hurdling over that lady in the front row !

pretty on point here birth...I just like to elaborate on Devin...now dont get wrong...I'm not trying to hate on the guy...I was happy we got him, full of potential...but he is flat out sucking donkey balls...

starting with foul trouble and obvious confusion on the offensive end...he pretty much looks indecisive and uncomfortable...which equals a Nets team trying to find direction of their own, minus the pg position...Biendrins had a monster night, but I thought Boone did as much as he could along with Lopez...Yi forced some shots and was off...night and day difference from game 1...still waiting for Hayes and Bobby to be on ON the same night...I still feel the rooks are playing above avg...Vince couldnt really find a groove, but I think he did as much as he could with the help he was getting from the Nets...

bottom line: Will Devin Harris please stand up!

[EFF]

So on the dribble drive offense...Is it just me or did anyone else notice that there was a lot of dribbling but no driving in this game? They just kinda dribble around a screen but instead of moving the ball north and south we'd just pass the ball around east-west on the outside. I like the shots from the elbow or even ryan taking 3's but we've gotta execute the offense also especially when the guys aren't having a particularly hot night.

And where has devin's finishing ability gone? He's usually pretty elusive and sure handed around the rim but he's getting denied left and right. pick it up.