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Game 3 November 3, 2008: Cleveland Cavs at Dallas Mavericks

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Re: Game 3 November 3, 2008: Cleveland Cavs at Dallas Mavericks 

Post#61 » by JES12 » Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:11 am

Well, I think this is clear...
Green should start.

BTW, has anyone else noticed Rick's philosophy of benching the hot person?

Howard during the Houston game. Bass tonigh. Green whenever he gets in. WTF, you are doing? Good, so go to the bench?
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Re: Game 3 November 3, 2008: Cleveland Cavs at Dallas Mavericks 

Post#62 » by mffl_14 » Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:12 am

Piss poor that's all there is to say
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Re: Game 3 November 3, 2008: Cleveland Cavs at Dallas Mavericks 

Post#63 » by ppp000 » Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:18 am

The roster is the problem, has always been the main problem. Bad or good coaching aside.
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Post#64 » by DDansby123 » Tue Nov 4, 2008 4:44 am

If I hadn't already given up on this team, I'd be pissed. As it stands, I just have to laugh at how horrible we are and how blind our front office has been. A few other observations...

(1) I know he's had a solid start to the season, but I'm really tired of Josh Howard. I swear I'm starting to see his teammates stand still more and more when he gets the ball. Tonight, it was Dirk. By the fourth quarter, he wouldn't even call for the ball when Josh had it....like he'd given up on Josh passing it to him. That's a team killer right there.

(2) We still can't defend the pick-and-roll for anything. Dirk, Damp, and Diop are too slow to defend it, and it consistenly leaves wings wide open for jumpers.

(3) We have a lot of players on this team who should only see the court in scrub time, yet we have to rely on them during the season. Yes, I'm looking at you JJ Barea.


The bottom line, yet again, is that this team simply isn't good enough on the court to win consistently. It was never a coaching problem, first and foremost. It was ALWAYS a player problem that originated from the front office.

Our best hope this season is to be well out of the playoff race a month before the trade deadline so we can start shopping Dirk and sinking our way toward the lottery (and yes, we do have a first-round pick this offseason). Of course, we should've done that this last offseason.
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Re: Game 3 November 3, 2008: Cleveland Cavs at Dallas Mavericks 

Post#65 » by Teffer10 » Tue Nov 4, 2008 5:43 am

DDansby123 wrote:If I hadn't already given up on this team, I'd be pissed. As it stands, I just have to laugh at how horrible we are and how blind our front office has been. A few other observations...

(1) I know he's had a solid start to the season, but I'm really tired of Josh Howard. I swear I'm starting to see his teammates stand still more and more when he gets the ball. Tonight, it was Dirk. By the fourth quarter, he wouldn't even call for the ball when Josh had it....like he'd given up on Josh passing it to him. That's a team killer right there.

(2) We still can't defend the pick-and-roll for anything. Dirk, Damp, and Diop are too slow to defend it, and it consistenly leaves wings wide open for jumpers.

(3) We have a lot of players on this team who should only see the court in scrub time, yet we have to rely on them during the season. Yes, I'm looking at you JJ Barea.


The bottom line, yet again, is that this team simply isn't good enough on the court to win consistently. It was never a coaching problem, first and foremost. It was ALWAYS a player problem that originated from the front office.

Our best hope this season is to be well out of the playoff race a month before the trade deadline so we can start shopping Dirk and sinking our way toward the lottery (and yes, we do have a first-round pick this offseason). Of course, we should've done that this last offseason.


I'm with you DDans. It is hard to get disappointed in this team when the expectations were so low to begin with as far as I'm concerned.
You and I have seen this for the past 2 seasons and it has been so obvious this is not the right chemistry to win a championship. Even the Kidd trade didn't piss me off because Devin wouldn't have made any difference (Although I would love to have that 2010 draft pick).

I cannot believe this FO can't see the obvious and they keep thinking Dirk is some type of superman that can take this team to a championship. Dirk is great, but not so great that he doesn't need a ton of help. This group around him is a joke, and as we have attempted to express in an emphatic matter on this board, this team doesn't have the resources to procure the right supporting cast for Dirk.
Dirk's value was pretty damn high this past off-season and it will diminish from here on out. I agree, we need to dangle him at TDL or next off-season before the draft.
Hanging our hopes on guys like Green, Wright, Williams, Foster, Bass, etc... is only setting ourselves up for a huge disappointment. Maybe 5 years from now, but not in the Dirk era.

Time to rebuild starting with a Josh Howard trade imo. If we can get a slew of youth and some draft picks for Dirk around TDL, I'd be okay with that too.

All that I can say is that the Mavs should be "sellers", not "buyers", at TDL this season. Dump salary and gain as much youth/draft picks as possible.

Maybe now everyone is beginning to see the light...especially the idiots in the FO.
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Re: Game 3 November 3, 2008: Cleveland Cavs at Dallas Mavericks 

Post#66 » by ppp000 » Tue Nov 4, 2008 6:46 am

The light was obvious since the GS flameout. If not before then. Sadly, the monkeys in the FO still trout out the company line of "we love our team" "our big 3 can play with the best of them"

I don't care if this team wins 60 games in the regular season (which they wont). They still have not shown any signs that they can make a push in the playoffs. And this offseason was a joke like I said during the summer.
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Re: Game 3 November 3, 2008: Cleveland Cavs at Dallas Mavericks 

Post#67 » by DDansby123 » Tue Nov 4, 2008 1:00 pm

^ The problems with this team were fairly obvious during the Miami meltdown: too many jumpshooters, poor perimeter defense, nobody to really take the pressure off Dirk, etc. The front office couldn't face the fact that we got damn lucky getting to the Finals to begin with. That Spurs series was one stupid play shy of ending with yet another second round exit, and Parker and Duncan were fairly banged up coming into that series to begin with. (In a lot of ways, we'd be better off if we'd lost to the Spurs, but that's another thread altogether.) That should've been a wakeup call.

The front office should've smelled smoke following that Miami series, heard the blaring fire alarms after GSW, and noticed flames blocking the exits after being routed by NOH. They can't possibly be stupid enough to continue looking back at the "Finals appearance" and "67 wins" as though they matter one bit right now, can they?
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Re: Game 3 November 3, 2008: Cleveland Cavs at Dallas Mavericks 

Post#68 » by ppp000 » Tue Nov 4, 2008 3:11 pm

The front office should've smelled smoke following that Miami series, heard the blaring fire alarms after GSW, and noticed flames blocking the exits after being routed by NOH. They can't possibly be stupid enough to continue looking back at the "Finals appearance" and "67 wins" as though they matter one bit right now, can they?


Sadly enough I've heard the words "only two years removed from a finals appearance" "only one year removed from 67 wins" from the very lips of our FO.

I want whatever they are smoking. B/c that stuff must be even more mindnumbing than whatever Josh Howard takes during halftime.

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