Waiver: Revisiting my "3rd grader" league (Electric Slim)

[3Si]

10 team Yahoo standard default weekly roster change H2H

My team:
PG Allen Iverson
SG Andre Iguodala
G Tracy McGrady
SF Josh Smith
PF Michael Beasley
F Ron Artest
C Amare Stoudemire
C Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Util Josh Howard
Util Richard Hamilton
BN Marcus Camby
BN Gerald Wallace
BN Monta Ellis


It's so hard to look at all the quality waiver guys. Would you drop any of my players for A.Parker, Battier, Nene, JR, Hawes, W.Chandler, Beno, Rafer, Outlaw, Farmer

When should one give up on Beasley? Is Monta worth the wait? (this is a weekly change league which means I can stash him away, but it's the opportunity cost of someone who "might" be better) Is Rip almost done? Or will a new coach rejuvenate the boring Hamilton? Is Z worth keeping as a backup for Cotton Camby? Or is Hawes a better pick? So many choices...

I like Parker, Chandler and Hawes. Parker will give me 3s and % which will help me be at least competitive in 2 more cats. Hawes is playing like a monster, everytime I see his stat line, I want to pick him up, but will this continue when Brad is back? Chandler aka the next Marion, will he get more PT to produce? Or is DA keeping him off the bench?

Thanks in advance.

[freakon0mics]

Wow, good team. I'll keep your team as is. You do have injury concerns with Wallace and Camby. Both are defense specialists that often play too hard and round up getting hurt. Other than that, I wouldn't change a thing. I can tell from your team that you are going to suffer in FG% but thats about it. You'll be contending in the oher cats.

[andonewheel]

I'd try making a two for one deal then adding some talent off waivers.

[3Si]

Wow, good team. I'll keep your team as is. You do have injury concerns with Wallace and Camby. Both are defense specialists that often play too hard and round up getting hurt. Other than that, I wouldn't change a thing. I can tell from your team that you are going to suffer in FG% but thats about it. You'll be contending in the oher cats.

Thanks, my FG is actually not that bad with Amare. I mean, it's definitely not dominating, but it's competitive when I don't have Tmac in the lineup.

As for andonewheel, it's hard to make 2 for 1 deals in a small league. Everyone wants someone on the waiver. Lets put it this way, I offered Artest + Monta for Camby. The other GM counter offered Camby for Artest. I can make some rediculous 2 for 1s, like AI + Josh for Kobe, but that wouldn't really make much sense for my team IMO.

[G35]

How are you doing in 3's? I like JR this year to put up numbers and he's been playing a lot for the Nuggets but that was before Melo came back.....

[Electric Slim]

10 team Yahoo standard default weekly roster change H2H

My team:
PG Allen Iverson
SG Andre Iguodala
G Tracy McGrady
SF Josh Smith
PF Michael Beasley
F Ron Artest
C Amare Stoudemire
C Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Util Josh Howard
Util Richard Hamilton
BN Marcus Camby
BN Gerald Wallace
BN Monta Ellis


It's so hard to look at all the quality waiver guys. Would you drop any of my players for A.Parker, Battier, Nene, JR, Hawes, W.Chandler, Beno, Rafer, Outlaw, Farmer

When should one give up on Beasley? Is Monta worth the wait? (this is a weekly change league which means I can stash him away, but it's the opportunity cost of someone who "might" be better) Is Rip almost done? Or will a new coach rejuvenate the boring Hamilton? Is Z worth keeping as a backup for Cotton Camby? Or is Hawes a better pick? So many choices...

I like Parker, Chandler and Hawes. Parker will give me 3s and % which will help me be at least competitive in 2 more cats. Hawes is playing like a monster, everytime I see his stat line, I want to pick him up, but will this continue when Brad is back? Chandler aka the next Marion, will he get more PT to produce? Or is DA keeping him off the bench?

Thanks in advance.

Since the people you're playing with are obviously in 3rd grade, then it doesn't really matter what you do. Right now I'd be trying to trade Ilgauskas for Chris Bosh in your league.

[The Duke]

Z for Bosh .. is what u'd try ... damn ... why stop there

[3Si]

Since the people you're playing with are obviously in 3rd grade, then it doesn't really matter what you do. Right now I'd be trying to trade Ilgauskas for Chris Bosh in your league.

I take offense to that statement. For the record, my league is filled with old farts that are well in their 30s, and it's the 5th year that we have done this. I have came 2nd twice, but never won it all the way. So this is not some random noob league. To put this into perspective, I also came 2nd in FFL last year, so if you think FFL is filled with "3rd graders" then all you mods are no better than 2nd grade.

The reason why the person rejected Hamilton is because this is a 10 team league, and Hamilton is borderline wire material last week when players like Rudy, Hawes... were still available on the waiver. He felt he had better players on his roster hence he rejected the 2 for 1 deal. In his defense, Artest for Camby is not such a bad deal. Camby is always a risk, at least more so than Artest. His team was stacked with Centers which put some sense into this deal.

So if you have nothing intellegent to say, please feel free to keep your "3rd grade" comments to yourself.

[Electric Slim]

You have 7 players in the top 40, then Beasley, Josh Howard, and McGrady for good measure.

I mean....c'mon.

[3Si]

You have 7 players in the top 40, then Beasley, Josh Howard, and McGrady for good measure.

I mean....c'mon.

7 Players in the top 40 according to what? You? Yahoo Ranking? In my eyes, AI, Camby, Amare and Josh would be clearly in the top 40. With Iggy being borderline. And even with my supposedly Super team, I barely won 5-4 last week which means, drafting high ranked player doesn't necessarily translate to winning, especially in H2H.

Just to give you an example of another team:

PG Dwyane Wade
SG Jason Richardson
G Andre Miller
SF Rashard Lewis
PF Chris Bosh
F Rudy Gay
C Rasheed Wallace
C Jermaine O'Neal
Util Andrei Kirilenko
Util J.R. Smith
BN Al Thornton
BN Manu Ginobili
BN Rudy Fernandez


And regardless of what my team looks like, calling my league "3rd graders" is uncalled for and demeaning. As a former mod, I'd think you would know better.

[Death Knight]

Electric Slim might have stretched it a bit suggesting that 7 of your players are top 40 coming into the season. 5 top 40 players is actually more accurate. Gerald Wallace and Ron Artest weren't ranked as top 40 players coming into the season. The rankings that I have seen, they were usually in the high 40s to 50 range. The rest:

Amare - Top 5
Iverson & Josh Smith - Top 20
Camby - top 30
Iguodala - top 40

I'm not making this up. You look at the rankings coming into the season from yahoo, espn, nba.com, etc...those were the rankings. I am only playing on yahoo this season, and in the drafts (3) that I have been a part of, these players went accordingly.

Your point about only winning 5-4 this past week is flawed, because it is way too early and it should not be an indication of how your team is going to be when it's all set and done. Marcus Camby didn't play all week with his injury, but will start to make his mark this week as he makes his return, and guys like Iguodala and Iverson have gotten to slow starts, but really...............do you expect them to play this poorly all season long? They will eventually pick it up. Amare was okay, but he didn't get the blocks, but you know they are coming. So realistically, Josh Smith is the only one that got off to their normal start and played like they are supposed to play.

Obviously for any team to have success (fantasy or reality for NBA teams) staying healthy is always the key. And if your team stays healthy, trust me, this team of yours will be very good and time will prove it all.

[creepystan]

I'd drop Monta for whomever you want/need.
If and when he does come back it is not going to be at the level
that would help your team.

[3Si]

Electric Slim might have stretched it a bit suggesting that 7 of your players are top 40 coming into the season. 5 top 40 players is actually more accurate. Gerald Wallace and Ron Artest weren't ranked as top 40 players coming into the season. The rankings that I have seen, they were usually in the high 40s to 50 range. The rest:

Amare - Top 5
Iverson & Josh Smith - Top 20
Camby - top 30
Iguodala - top 40

I'm not making this up. You look at the rankings coming into the season from yahoo, espn, nba.com, etc...those were the rankings. I am only playing on yahoo this season, and in the drafts (3) that I have been a part of, these players went accordingly.

That's about right and how I would rank these players. In a 9 team league, that's very attainable. Which comes to my point, I'm not playing with "3rd grade" GMs.

Your point about only winning 5-4 this past week is flawed, because it is way too early and it should not be an indication of how your team is going to be when it's all set and done. Marcus Camby didn't play all week with his injury, but will start to make his mark this week as he makes his return, and guys like Iguodala and Iverson have gotten to slow starts, but really...............do you expect them to play this poorly all season long? They will eventually pick it up. Amare was okay, but he didn't get the blocks, but you know they are coming. So realistically, Josh Smith is the only one that got off to their normal start and played like they are supposed to play.

I'm not saying that my team is bad. My point of the score was to demonstrate anything can happen in a H2H league. Just because it's early makes no difference. During playoff time, their production is just as unpredictable. Not to mention, the team I played against also had Deron and other players playing poorly. And for the record, due to this being a weekly change league. I still had Artest instead of Camby. And Artest had a pretty darn good week.

[Death Knight]

I'd drop Monta for whomever you want/need.
If and when he does come back it is not going to be at the level
that would help your team.

Agreed. I would definitely drop Ellis for someone like JR Smith to increase the chances of winning 3s. To win a cat, in theory, you need 2 guys who dominate it.

You got:
BLKS - Camby/Smith/Amare
STLS - Artest/Iverson/Iguodala/Smith

Guys like Iverson, Iguodala, McGrady, Artest, and Wallace will contribute in 3s, but none of them dominates it. You pick up a guy like JR Smith who gives you 2+ 3s and you instantly give yourself a chance at winning another cat.

I'm not too high on Ellis even when he comes back. Then there is also a chance that he might not even come back at all this season. Ellis's situation is just not the same as someone like Manu Ginobili, who is actually expected to come back in mid December. With Ellis, you just don't know.

That's about right and how I would rank these players. In a 9 team league, that's very attainable. Which comes to my point, I'm not playing with "3rd grade" GMs.

So is it 10 or 9 teams? You can't roll with 9 in a h2h league. That's for roto leagues. Since you said 10 in a h2h league in you OP, I'm going to go with that.

[3Si]

It's a 9 team league with a dummy team.

As far as JR, I was late on that boat. He has been picked up right after the trade. So is Hawes and Parker. So this thread is almost pointless right now, nothing more than a pissing match I suppose. But thank you for your suggestions, and I agree that Ellis is likely not worth the risk.

[robertjanssen007]

who's on the dummy team?

[3Si]

You have 7 players in the top 40, then Beasley, Josh Howard, and McGrady for good measure.

I mean....c'mon.

Guess what Electric Slim? My team is dead last after 4 weeks (well, the dummy team is dead last). So these "3rd graders" are doing pretty good.

[3Si]

And FYI, I just lost 1-7-1 to the 2nd last 3rd Grader team last week.

His team:

PG Brandon Roy
(Por - PG,SG)
SG Peja Stojakovic
(NO - SG,SF)
G Baron Davis
(LAC - PG)
SF Charlie Villanueva
(Mil - SF,PF)
PF Elton Brand
(Phi - PF,C)
F Corey Maggette
(GS - SG,SF,PF)
C Al Jefferson
(Min - PF,C)
C Brad Miller
(Sac - C)
Util David West
(NO - PF)
Util Richard Jefferson
(Mil - SF)
BN Lamar Odom
(LAL - SF,PF)
BN Mehmet Okur
(Uta - PF,C)
BN Gilbert Arenas
(Was - PG) INJ

[Electric Slim]

You have 7 players in the top 40, then Beasley, Josh Howard, and McGrady for good measure.

I mean....c'mon.

Guess what Electric Slim? My team is dead last after 4 weeks (well, the dummy team is dead last). So these "3rd graders" are doing pretty good.

You've have had a tough break, and so have I in my free league. I'm #1 in my money league, and #7 in my free league, and I swear my free team is better then my pay league plus the competition is weaker in the free one. Go figure.

Your team:
PG Allen Iverson - OUCH
SG Andre Iguodala - OUCH
G Tracy McGrady - OUCH (literally)
SF Josh Smith OUCH (Very vital to your team, your biggest loss)
PF Michael Beasley (I have in in my pay league and I'm benching for the first time this week - kinda disappointing)
F Ron Artest OUCH (I have in in my pay league too. Don't worry, he wont shoot 30% for the whole season, and he'll still give you steals and 3's.)
C Amare Stoudemire Solid, but more blocks would be nice
C Zydrunas Ilgauskas (At least he's doing better than he should)
Util Josh Howard (He's becoming a carbon copy of the guy below unfortunately)
Util Richard Hamilton (^)
BN Marcus Camby (How much PT will he get with Zach? Still crucial for blocks though)
BN Gerald Wallace (Solid)
BN Monta Ellis (Who knows?)

What's funny 3si is that it seems like EVERY player in the league is putting up weaker stats than last year. The few that come to mind that are exceptions are Beidrins, Granger, and Wade.

What I suggest shipping out Howard, McGrady, and Hamilton, for, well, everything. You got good value for McGrady for where you picked him, but you can be sure as **** he'll **** you over at any given time.

My strategy in drafting is to have THREE players on your team that and standouts for each category. (Q: are you playing TO's?)

Here's your team (or at least how I looked at it at the beginning of this month)

FG% - Stoudemire, possibly Ellis, ________
FT% - Iverson, Stoudemire, Hamilton
3PT - You have no one outstanding, but at least many of your players attempt them. You might consider picking up a 3pt specialist off waivers
PTS - You's never lose this cat if it wasn't for injuries
AST - Iverson, Iggy, Tmac, Ellis (especially since he'll be playing more PG than SG)
REB - Stoudemire, Camby, and many of your guards are high rebounders relative to their position. That being said you could use another bigman, and you should consolidate a couple of your swingmen in a trade for one if you can
STL - Iverson, Smith, Iggy, Ellis, GWall (you should be dominating)
BLK - Smith, and Stoudemire and Illgauskas somewhat

I wouldn't hit the panic button yet, I still like your team. Josh Smith's return will be a godsend. I also think that AI and Iggy will turn around as the season progresses.

I'll try to help you find some good waiver guys, just tell me me which are available, k?

[Electric Slim]

I'd consider Brook Lopez, DJ Augustin, and Steve Blake possibly. Is Sessions available?