Iverson traded to Detroit for Billups?

[el loco]

We wound up getting the TE for Camby extended, but we generated a new one of roughly 3 million in the Separate Mcdyess deal. This trade worked out to be three individual deals to make everything work out the way that it has. That is if I am understanding everything correctly.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

What I mentioned above.. is how some salary expert explained it. Unless I misunderstood lol.

[IggyTheBEaST]

Sum up the trade in 10 words or less:


Good trade short term. Bad trade long term

[el loco]

What I mentioned above.. is how some salary expert explained it. Unless I misunderstood lol.

This was borrowed from another board by me because I think it breaks down the details of the trade quite well and in a way that it can be understood:



From Detroit's perspective, it's one trade. They send out Billups, McDyess and Samb ($18,574,567 out) and bring in Iverson ($20,840,625 in). The Traded Player Exception is used and Iverson's salary is within the 125% range of the outgoing salary, so it works from their end. No future trade exceptions are created.

From Denver's perspective, it's 3 trades:

The first trade is Cheikh Samb in ($711,517) for nothing out. This is possible because Samb makes minimum salary and the Minimum Player Salary Exception allows you to either sign a player for a minimum salary or trade for a minimum salary player without having to send out any salary yourself.

The second trade is Antonio McDyess in ($6,813,050) for nothing out. Denver uses the $10 million trade exception from the Camby deal to bring in McDyess without having to send out any salary. And because McDyess makes less than the full value of the exception, Denver gets to keep the 'extra' part of the exception. In fact, the Camby exception still has a value of $3,186,950 after bringing McDyess, although it expires (as Hollinger says) in July.

The third trade is Chauncey Billups in ($11,050,00) for Allen Iverson out ($20,840,625). Since Denver takes in $9,790,625 less than they send out, they get a trade exception for this amount that is good for one year, or until next November 3rd.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

Yeah, I read that on another board too, so they did use the Camby TPE, and created a new one, while having some of the Camby one left over.

[roc]

I was hoping we would do a deal with Portland instead. Something like...

Billups/Dice/Acker/Bynum for Raef/Bayless/Batum/Frye

Oh well.

I am not happy with the Dice situation as I would have rather kept Samb. I think Samb was added to the deal so Denver would still get a big if they buyout Dice according to some prearranged plan.

If that turns out to be the case I would rather not even take Dice back as he cost us a young 7 footer that plays good D, blocks a ton of shots, and has range all the way out to the 3. He is still very raw as he has only played B-Ball for 7-8 years so far but IMO has a good amount of upside. I expect him to flourish in Denver with the lack of C depth you guys have.

Interesting tidbit about Samb for you guys. When he was in the Spanish league he blocked more shots than any of the teams did as a whole.

Of course if this deal leads to us aquiring Amare in 2010 then I will be much happier with it.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

Don't worry, Karl won't play him and he won't resign with the Nuggets. So you guys will have a chance to get him back.

[el loco]

I think GK has already mapped out Samb's path with Denver, Yesterday he said that he will start out with the team because we need bodies in practice, but he would most likely be sent down to the Dleague, so if Detroit fans want him back, I would think he could be had at seasons end. Let him develop a bit more on someone else's dime and then sign him back if you really want him.

[roc]

I forgot you guys also have Anderson now. I was thinking only Nene and Hunter at the C spot.

[JustinSane]

I'm another Pistons fan that thinks you really should hang on to Samb (though I hope you don't). He has serious defensive potential and an automatic mid-range jump shot. I'd be thrilled if we could poach him back in free agency.

[Marc]

As far as i know Iverson left Denver in good terms. So, why not try to sign him back for cheap?

Smith could come off the bench as 6th man and Billups is a tall pg so there would no height problems with Iverson playing sg.

I pretty much agree with everyone else in Iverson's negative aspects of his game but for less than the MLE i think he is worth the trouble... We are not talking about another Marbury. Iverson is a former MVP that once took a team to an nba final. And he had some pretty amazing stats as a Nugget. (I know the game is not all about stats but still)

My mistake if it is not right to bring back old threads but i figured it was better to post here than start a new thread about AI.

[pickIBL]

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[Marc]

nnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

not even for cheap? I am surprised how everyone observes Marbury's situation and automatically thinks about Iverson. AI is a future HOFer. Marbury has nothing to do with him.

[eathy]

Ideally... we do need a scorer off the bench...

but no just no. we can't go down that path again.

[J Smitty]

That is the way our GM feels, even to this very day(it's his pic on twitter). Not going to happen.

[zygis17]

yes, twitter pics are a great way to express your opinions.

what would we do without twitter.

[Teens On Acid]

oh hell no

[The Rebel]

As far as i know Iverson left Denver in good terms. So, why not try to sign him back for cheap?

Maybe you should do a little research if you think the Nuggets were happy with AI when they traded him. He was traded for a long term contract on an aging PG who has half the talent he did. Something tells me they wanted to get rid of him pretty damn bad,

Smith could come off the bench as 6th man and Billups is a tall pg so there would no height problems with Iverson playing sg.

Other then the fact that Iverson does not play defense, and is a ball pounding fool that does nothing to help a team on either end, you are right he could play with Billups as Billups does not care about stats at all. But then again they would have to make some major trades to find another 12 guys who are willing to be AI's lacky and do what it takes to win games while he does nothing but put up empty stats and hog the glory.

I pretty much agree with everyone else in Iverson's negative aspects of his game but for less than the MLE i think he is worth the trouble...

That makes one of you, no team seems to think he is worth the trouble even for less then the MLE.

We are not talking about another Marbury.

Your right, Marbury seems to have actually accepted the fact that he is not going to get a astarting job in the NBA. Although they both put up empty stats and would rather party and cause trouble then win. So they are somewhat similar.

Iverson is a former MVP that once took a team to an nba final.

Right having the coach of the year, the DPOY/ hall of fame center, 6th man of the year, and a team full of veterans who did not care to shot and were willing to play defense had nothing to do with him making it that far.Not to mention they were playing in one of the weakest conferences in the history of the league.

And he had some pretty amazing stats as a Nugget. (I know the game is not all about stats but still)

He had amazing stats because Melo and JR basically drew the double teams and allowed AI to go one on one, while the coach let him do as he pleased. If you had bothered to watch this team last year, you would see just how dramatic the improvement in the Nuggets were after the trade. Not to mention the fact that the Nuggets won more games while Melo missed close to 20 games and had injury problems throughout the season, then they ever did with AI. I don't think any Nuggets fan has any interest in going back to letting AI put up his amazing stats.

My mistake if it is not right to bring back old threads but i figured it was better to post here than start a new thread about AI.

If you had spent a little time reading some of the AI threads on this board form the last year, you would see that even bringing back an old thread was a bad idea. Most of us would prefer to just move on and pretend those two years of misery did not happen.

[Marc]

My mistake if it is not right to bring back old threads but i figured it was better to post here than start a new thread about AI.

If you had spent a little time reading some of the AI threads on this board form the last year, you would see that even bringing back an old thread was a bad idea. Most of us would prefer to just move on and pretend those two years of misery did not happen.[/quote]

I read different old posts about Iverson and there were mixed reactions. For example, there was a thread that discussed whether Iverson should be extended or not and most agreed that they would be ok if he wasn't overpaid (Probably, some were thinking about an 8 figures contract considering he was coming off a $20M+ salary).

[DFan]

Why bring him back

Ideally... we do need a scorer off the bench...

but no just no. we can't go down that path again.

This. Wally or Novak would fit in nicely. We don't need Iverson back.