What can we expect to get for Wally's contract?

vct33 · Post #1 » by **vct33** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 2:22 pm

Realistically, what is the most we could hope to get for Wally? I'm trying to look at teams that might be in salary-dump mode at the deadline and I am having trouble finding a worthy trade partner for Cleveland.

We have to trade him. It would be a waste to let his contract expire because it won't put us under the cap and into the FA market. Any hope of keeping LBJ may teeter on what we get out of Wally's expiring contract.

The exception to the must-trade-Wally rule would be to let his contract expire and do nothing. And then let Ben expire the following year and make a run at a huge free agent and re-sign LBJ. I think you'd have to feel really good about having somebody lined up and you'd have to be sure that LBJ would come back. There might have to be some backdoor deals in place.

eyejayem · Post #2 » by **eyejayem** » Wed Nov 5, 2008 2:53 pm

I want either Mike Miller or Stephen Jackson. I only want someone who can play SG/SF that expires by 2010. I dont see anything better than that. I dont see us getting a PF or C that has some downside to it. And with the way Ben is playing I cant see us getting a PF who will fit better but if we get a scoring wing Ben fits more. Wally is playing good and those two guys may be the only two who I can see playing better.

shrink · Post #3 » by **shrink** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 1:05 am

A popular deal from a CLE fan, that most on the trade board like, and most MIN fans (not me) refuse is:

Szczerbiak (exp) + Kinsey (exp) + $2.4 mil TPE + 1st for Mike Miller + Cardinal + Madsen

MIN loves Miller because his shooting frees up Al Jefferson, his position flexibility helps on a team with youth that may or may not develop, his age fits to add vet leadership, and since he grew up in South Dakota, he's thrilled to be a Timberwolf. MIN has marketed Miller heavily, and fans are excited about him. However, to me, I think this is good compensation, and since MIN isn't a highly desired free agent destination, its too risky to depend on getting a good FA from the competitive 2010 Free Agency. This trade puts MIN in good shape in 2009 Free agency:

Al Jefferson - $12,000,000
Ryan Gomes - $3,800,000
Kevin Love - $3,401,040
Randy Foye - $3,575,761
Corey Brewer - $2,916,120
Sebastian Telfair - $2,500,000
Craig Smith - $2,500,000
"some picks"
Total: $35 mil

For CLE, Mike Miller looks like the perfect complimentary player to your team, and perhaps the guy that elevates a good play-off team into a champion. Miller's more than just a shooter too, averaging 6 APG, 2 BPG, and last year he was Hollinger's top rebounding guard. Everyone knows he can stick the three, but he was surprisingly the NBA's #11 shooter for 2P%. All the Wolves deals expire in 2010. His defense isn't good though.

Like I said, I think this is more than fair compensation to give you two shots with Mike Miller, but even at this price, probably 3/4th of MIN posters reject it. Personally, I think it helps both teams achieve their goals.

Da_James_Gang · Post #4 » by **Da_James_Gang** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 5:42 am

I'm gonna keep my eyes on the Bobcats, if they suck it up the whole first half of the season like they are doing now everyone might be up for trade consideration. Crash, JRich, and Okafor all would be on my radar........

Hoops23 · Post #5 » by **Hoops23** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 2:34 pm

shrink wrote:Szczerbiak (exp) + Kinsey (exp) + $2.4 mil TPE + 1st for Mike Miller + Cardinal + Madsen

The difference between Wally and Mike Miller is not worth a 1st round pick, much more if you're taking on the contract of Cardinal & Madsen.

You're over valuing Mike Miller.

vct33 · Post #6 » by **vct33** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 3:37 pm

Da_James_Gang wrote:I'm gonna keep my eyes on the Bobcats, if they suck it up the whole first half of the season like they are doing now everyone might be up for trade consideration. Crash, JRich, and Okafor all would be on my radar........

That was one of the teams I was looking at. Richardson would be unbelievable but that might be more than we could hope for. Though that would put Charlotte way under cap this off-season and make them a serious player in free agency.

Also, for the record, I do think that Mike Miller is a 1st Round Pick better than Wally. However, I wouldn't be thrilled about taking on the bad contract of Cardinal.

bigdave01 · Post #7 » by **bigdave01** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 12:23 am

As a Kings fan I think we would be interested, what about something like this:

John Salmons-great defender, also a good scorer
Mikki Moore-fairly old but a still a good big man, I believe his contract can be bought out

for

Wally
maybe a pick or another player

Salmons is a great player, but he is 29 and has 3 years left on his contract. He just doesn't fit into the Kings plans although behind Martin he is probably our best player. I think we will probably look to trade him around the deadline. Mikki Moore is currently our starting PF but we need to make room for our young bigs.

Baseline Runner · Post #8 » by **Baseline Runner** » Fri Nov 7, 2008 4:46 pm

I don't really like Richardson as a player much. He doesn't make the players around him better or play much team ball. He's just a chucker that can take it to the hoop. Only guys I like on the Bobcats is Okafor and Sean May, both themselves nothing great, but still young bigs.

jozef · Post #9 » by **jozef** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 1:33 pm

What about Kirilenko for Szczerbiak?
Hefty contract but great defender.
Utah needs re-sign Boozer and Millsap.

prekazi · Post #10 » by **prekazi** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 2:16 pm

As I said before I'd love to have Kirilenko especially if it'll be just for Wally!

cavsfan_osiris · Post #11 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 5:19 pm

eyejayem wrote:I want either Mike Miller or Stephen Jackson. I only want someone who can play SG/SF that expires by 2010. I dont see anything better than that. I dont see us getting a PF or C that has some downside to it. And with the way Ben is playing I cant see us getting a PF who will fit better but if we get a scoring wing Ben fits more. Wally is playing good and those two guys may be the only two who I can see playing better.

you stole my thunder, my goodness almost word for word

AK47 has too many years left on his deal, no thank you.

Smooth32 · Post #12 » by **Smooth32** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 7:17 pm

Right now, I really would like to upgrade the wing position as well as acquire a scoring big man.

The only 2 wing players that see fitting this team are Mike Miller and John Salmons. It'd be great if we could get one with Wally's expiring and sign McDyess.

Williams / Gibson
West / Miller (or Salmons) / Kinsey
James / Pavlovic / Williams
Wallace / McDyess / Hickson
Ilgauskas / Varejao / Wright

Yeah baby!

bigdave01 · Post #13 » by **bigdave01** » Sun Nov 9, 2008 8:48 pm

It sounds like Salmons/Moore would really help both teams. Moore is decent big man, and Salmons is a really great player.

Would you guys give anything besides Szcerbiak such as a pick or a player?

Gordon Bombay · Post #14 » by **Gordon Bombay** » Sun Nov 9, 2008 11:10 pm

bigdave01 wrote:It sounds like Salmons/Moore would really help both teams. Moore is decent big man, and Salmons is a really great player.

Would you guys give anything besides Szcerbiak such as a pick or a player?

probably not...u can have sasha tho - he's a real treat

shrink · Post #15 » by **shrink** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:06 am

Hoops23 wrote:
shrink wrote:Szczerbiak (exp) + Kinsey (exp) + $2.4 mil TPE + 1st for Mike Miller + Cardinal + Madsen
The difference between Wally and Mike Miller is not worth a 1st round pick, much more if you're taking on the contract of Cardinal & Madsen.

You're over valuing Mike Miller.

Wally's value is as an expiring. He's scoring 7.3 PPG, 1.1 RPG, 0.6 APG 1.0 TO and an EFF of +5.86

Mike Miller FG 51.5%, 3P 41.7%, 14.8 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 3.7 APG, 1.3 TO and an EFF of +16.33.

I would also expect Miller's numbers to go up on a team like the Cavs, and he'd probably increase the numbers of other players on the Cavs as well.

However, the valuation is hard to determine. The Cav's pick, whether they have Miller or not, is likely to be near the tail end of a weak 2009 draft, so I don't think either side is claiming its worth a great deal. A second rounder is almost worthless. The question for the Cavs is whether the INCREMENTAL improvement in their team of adding Mike Miller, and having a better chance at a ring for two years (and locking in LeBron), is worth paying the cash for one year next season. If the Cavs think they can beat the Lakers or Celtics as is, or making the ECF is good enough, then maybe they don't do this deal. If not, and they think Mike Miller is the right fit, then maybe they do.

Finally, I don't know if I'M over-valueing Mike Miller, because this is similar to several offers made by Cavs posters on the trade board over the last couple of months. Some even contained Sasha or Varejao. I think Mike Miller would be such a good fit on the Cavs, that if they acquired him, they'd become the favorites this year -- so maybe I am over-valueing him/the Cavs. However, its a valuation I seem to share with at least a few of the Cavs posters on the trade board.

midgman8421 · Post #16 » by **midgman8421** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:14 pm

Wally + 1st for Cardinal + Miller.

Get it done!

JebronLames23 · Post #17 » by **JebronLames23** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:17 pm

Honestly, I think we'll be lucky to get 20 basketballs in a trade involving Wally. I think Snow has more worth than him at this point.

midgman8421 · Post #18 » by **midgman8421** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:22 pm

JebronLames23 wrote:Honestly, I think we'll be lucky to get 20 basketballs in a trade involving Wally. I think Snow has more worth than him at this point.

If a team is rebuilding and needs to move contracts, then Wally has a lot of value as an expiring, and a moderately productive player.

JebronLames23 · Post #19 » by **JebronLames23** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:35 pm

I know. I was mostly making a joke...

Wally is really only worth his expiring contract, which has a lot of worth.

Calling him a moderately productive player though is pushing it. The guy's only role is to shoot 3s and he's making 27% right now. 0.8 assists, 1.6 boards... I'd almost rather see Sasha out there. Almost. I know I'd certainly rather see Redick.

vct33 · Post #20 » by **vct33** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:25 pm

Salmons is a stud. I like that situation. I'm not a Miki Moore fan at all but I'd take him on to get Salmons.

Also, any chance that Dallas might want to blow things up? They have Kidd expiring this year. Maybe they'd trade Howard for another big expiring contract so they can make some moves.