OT: Gerald Wallace To Be Traded!

[hiphop1]

Wallace's contract is longer than Garnett. The contracts of Pierce, Garnett and Ray Allen couldn't be setup anymore conveniently. That is, in the way they each expire one after the other. Why deviate from this by adding Wallace's contract which is longer than all three? And Ainge didn't want to resign Posey for the number of years he'd sought for this reason.

As is, Ainge can still be a player in the free agent market in 2010.

Wallce will be 31 at the end of his contract Posey if we gave him what he wanted would have been 37! BIG DIFFERENCE BRO! Plus what do you think is gonna happen we are gonna trade all the big three eventually if we want to stay at the top. That is how you win. Wallace is a defensive stud who can play 3 positions. And you are right that the contracts are set up conveniently to do just this type of deal.

We are not going to trade the big three. Why do you think that? Thats not how you win, that is called a FIRESALE!

Like Bonsa and many others said, the contracts end at the perfect time. To keep us in contention. When ray's expires, we will sign a young FA. Who will come in and play with Garnett and pierce. Then pierces contract will expire. Then KG's. And we will sign another young FA.

That was the big thing about the ray and KG deals. That even though we gave up our young studs like BIg Al. We still would be built for the future, if ainge can land em.

Our future is **** if we start trading, Ray for gerald wallace. Or pierce and KG for another scrub.

This team has only played together for 1 year, and already won the championship. That usually doesn't happen. It usually takes a year or two for an team to become the most effective. We got Ray, KG, and Paul on board for as long as we keep winning. If we win the championship again this year, no way Danny is trading Ray as an expiring contract next season. No way!

The best analogy I can think to use is basketball. When something works, you keep going to it until the other team proves they can stop it. Until someone stops us, we're not changing anything. When, and only when we lose, will we start looking for options.

I believe we will see a better Celtic team this year than last, so let's enjoy the ride.

We wont be able to sign a free agent with Rays money we will still be over the cap. That is why we will trade him then PP then KG.

[Celtics_Champs]

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

No, we won't be over the salary cap.

Name me one team. In any sport. Who traded. All their stars, and won a championship within 2-4 years??

[hiphop1]

I thought we would be. So we will probably use his money to resign Rondo. My bad I thought we wouldnt be able to sign a FA other than MLE. This changes my perspective. I thought this would be the only way to get a younger more talented player.

[TheSheriff]

People need to realize that Ray Allen isn't 28 anymore. If you can trade him for a younger player that will help this team this year and in the future then you make that trade. I am not saying i would trade him for Wallace, but i would trade Ray without a second thought if the package is there.

[Havlicek17]

I think this quote from Newsday (NY, LI) today says it all:

"Talk of an Eddy Curry-for-Gerald Wallace trade with the Charlotte Bobcats is way out of the realm of reasonable. Wallace has a four-year contract that ranges from $8.2 million this season to $10.6 million in 2011-12. Sure, Wallace has the athleticism and explosiveness (and even some defensive ability) to thrive in the D'Antoni system, but his shot is suspect (as is his back) and, most importantly, his contract runs way beyond the 2010 threshold and a year longer than Curry's deal.

This scenario comes from a Charlotte Bobcats perspective. They would like to find a center with a low-post game so they can slide Emeka Okafor to his more natural position at power forward. Right now they are getting by with Jared Dudley at the four. Larry Brown has history with Curry and knows what he is capable of when he is motivated.

The Knicks would consider this only if they could then flip Wallace elsewhere -- such as Golden State for Al Harrington. But as Marc Stein said in the above-linked article, the Warriors aren't that interested in Wallace and his contract, especially if they are planning on giving Stephen Jackson an extension and already have Corey Maggette signed to a long-term deal."

If the NYK's don't think that a Curry for Wallace deal makes sense, and the GSW don't think a Wallace for Harrington deal makes sense. I think this puts the Ray for Wallace deal in the proper prespective.

Let's be resonable here.

I read this morning that Earl Watson wants out of OKC. Everybody knows we don't have a true backup PG. How about we trade Ray and Leon for him, using a third team with a large trade exemption to free up some cap space.

[Kids Are Alright]

we trade Jesus and I'm finally gonna become Taoist, Bhuddist or something....

Ray was the MVP of the Lakers series (not the playoffs) and I think we take this thing one more year and ride it. Sure there's risk with an older elite player with a couple of ankle surgeries in his past, but GW is not going to be traded for Ray, it makes no sense whatsoever and I don't want to get younger just for the chance to be younger, while chucking our chance to repeat.

Back to religion, Hindu makes sense thanks to the overall variety of gods, I'm putting a "Celtics health" shrine next to my TV for this season.

[Bruiser]

Let's be resonable here.

I read this morning that Earl Watson wants out of OKC. Everybody knows we don't have a true backup PG. How about we trade Ray and Leon for him, using a third team with a large trade exemption to free up some cap space.

Kobe, is it you???????????

[BlamePitino]

If anything, something like this:
Boston Team Breakdown:
Incoming Players
Shannon Brown
6-3 SG from Michigan State
7.3 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 13.5 minutes
Gerald Wallace
6-7 SG / SF from Alabama
15.3 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 2.0 apg in 38.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Tony Allen
6-4 SG from Oklahoma State
9.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.0 minutes
Eddie House
6-1 PG from Arizona State
6.0 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.2 minutes
Brian Scalabrine
6-9 PF from USC
0.7 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 6.3 minutes
Charlotte Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -22.6 ppg, -9.0 rpg, and -3.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Outgoing Players
Shannon Brown
6-3 SG from Michigan State
7.3 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 13.5 minutes
Gerald Wallace
6-7 SG / SF from Alabama
15.3 ppg, 8.7 rpg, 2.0 apg in 38.9 minutes
New York Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +16.0 ppg, +4.0 rpg, and +1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Tony Allen
6-4 SG from Oklahoma State
9.3 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.0 minutes
Eddie House
6-1 PG from Arizona State
6.0 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.2 minutes
Brian Scalabrine
6-9 PF from USC
0.7 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 6.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
No games yet played in 2008-2009


Why for Celtics: They get an upgrade over TONY (not Ray, come on) Allen, while he has value.
Why for Bobcats: They get their man in Curry.
Why for Knicks: Dump Curry, remain active player for class of 2010. Also, they get Allen (who would likely excel in D'Antoni's offense) and House (who has excelled in D'Antoni's offense before).


C's rotation:
Perkins/Powe/O'Bryant
Garnett/Davis
Pierce/Wallace
Allen/Brown
Rondo/Pruitt/Cassell

[captain_cheapseats]

So the basic idea of this thread seems to be a Ray Allen for Gerald Wallace deal.....I don't like that trade for the Celts right now, basically for the reasons several previous posters have already gone over. However, if you were to bookmark this thread and repost it exactly one year from today, coming off a 2nd championship (knock-on-wood) I think I might be on board. To me this season, like last season, is all about winning right now. However, if we fast-forward ahead to next year and see a Celtics team that now has two titles under its belt, maybe it would make sense to take a gamble in order to try and turn the Celtics into a long-term dynasty.

[sully00]

I don't like this idea ever. Wallace is a 15-18 ppg player on 30 win team, conversely Ray Allen was 25 ppg player on a 30-50 win team. I think we would end up paying 10 mil bucks for simliar production to Leon Powe and James Posey. That is a recipe for disaster.

When Ray's deal is up we can get under the cap if that is what we want to do it involves extending Pierce at simliar rate to KG and some other things but it can be done. We also may not even have to get under the cap as we can pick up a guy with MLE that may fit the bill.

You can only serve one master. If you are trying to extend the window of Pierce and KG then guys who are title or bust will want to come here. Now if it looks like the window is closed then you may have to start over. Nobody is going to trade Lebron for Ray Allen's expiring contract.

[Havlicek17]

None of the starting 5 is going anywhere this year. Even if we wanted to trade Ray, which we don't, it would be wise to wait until next year when his contract is due to expire and his trade value is the best.

If we keep winning and Ray keeps playing like he has, he is not going anywhere. His contract will likely come down to around $10 Mil in 2010/2011. It will allow us to resign Rondo, Leon, and keep everbody in tact for the ride with Paul and KG.

If we lose the championship this year and Ray gets worse due to age or whatever, then maybe we make an upgrade next year. Not sooner. You just don't break up a championship team, Mr Krause!

[captain_cheapseats]

I don't like this idea ever. Wallace is a 15-18 ppg player on 30 win team, conversely Ray Allen was 25 ppg player on a 30-50 win team. I think we would end up paying 10 mil bucks for simliar production to Leon Powe and James Posey. That is a recipe for disaster.

When people get excited about Wallace, it's not because of his scoring. Is more that he plays great defense and hits the boards effectively.

When Ray's deal is up we can get under the cap if that is what we want to do it involves extending Pierce at simliar rate to KG and some other things but it can be done. We also may not even have to get under the cap as we can pick up a guy with MLE that may fit the bill.

You can only serve one master. If you are trying to extend the window of Pierce and KG then guys who are title or bust will want to come here. Now if it looks like the window is closed then you may have to start over. Nobody is going to trade Lebron for Ray Allen's expiring contract.

Of course we aren't getting Lebron for Ray, but we could certainly get a high quality player for his expiring. Clearly you don't like Wallace specifically, but there's a whole lot of ground to cover out there between the MLE and Lebron, and there must be at least one player likely to be available next year that you like.

[MyInsatiableOne]

^^As I've said, then where the **** does 15-20 ppg come from?