Anyone feel this deadline deal happening?

[magee]

Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal and Rodney Carney to Cleveland for Wally, Sasha Pavlovic and a pick? Seems pretty logical to me. Or take out Cardinal for Gomes, now that there's no way he fits on this team anymore.

[delux55]

plain and simple NO

[GopherIt!]

I thought this was going to be about Wittman getting traded for a box of Krispy Kremes.

[mandurugo]

I don't think the wolves could handle another pick - there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

[C.lupus]

I think there will be a deal at deadline, just not that one.

[delux55]

hopefully there will be at least a couple deals done on or before the deadline.

We most def need a legit pg. Foye and bassy are both only capable of being role player back up pgs.

That and shiat canning Wittman are the two most important moves. Then if possible get a defensive big in here but that one will be alot tougher than the above

[collin_k41]

If I was running the team the first thing I would do is fire Wittman. Then, I'd see what this team can actually do and probably end up trading for a legit defensive big at the deadline.

[vincecarter4pres]

OK.
Quick trade idea....

NJ sends:
Lawrence Frank

Minny sends:
Wittman

????

[Ojmayo]

OK.
Quick trade idea....

NJ sends:
Lawrence Frank

Minny sends:
Wittman

????

But thats not all! McHale would come with it!

[shrink]

Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal and Rodney Carney to Cleveland for Wally, Sasha Pavlovic and a pick? Seems pretty logical to me. Or take out Cardinal for Gomes, now that there's no way he fits on this team anymore.

Miller has been marketed pretty heavily, but a small minority of Wolves fans would be willing to trade him for giant cap space. CLE doesn't even need to throw in Sasha (or Varejao, as other CLE proposals have included). Last month's deal on the Trade Board that was pretty universally accepted (except from Wolves fans) was very similar to your proposal:

Mike Miller (2 yr) + Brian Cardinal (2 yr) + Mark Madsen (2 yr) for Wally (exp) + Allred (now Kinsey) (ung) + $2.4 mil TPE + 1st

For the Wolves, this saves them over $21 mil, and makes them a max-deal player in the 2009 free agency, avoiding the huge risk of banking everything on getting a good free agent in the competitive 2010 race. Mike Miller is a great fit for us, and I like him at $9 mil a year, but since we aren't a play-off team, I just can't justify that he's worth $19 mil a year .. and a pick. CLE gets the perfect player to add that could win them a ring (and keep LeBron), and they get two chances at it, this year and next. Including Carney doesn't sway me one way or another.

I don't mind getting an extra pick, even though we're crammed full. At a minimum, we could just sell it, but even if we don't, its always a little extra incentive in a deal to get us the players we want.

[C.lupus]

OK.
Quick trade idea....

NJ sends:
Lawrence Frank

Minny sends:
Wittman

????

Foye and Wittman for Lopez and Frank

[GopherIt!]

OK. Quick trade idea....

NJ sends: Lawrence Frank

Minny sends: Wittman

????

I ran it through the trade checker:

Failed Trade Scenario
Sorry, but this trade simply does not work.

Due to New Jersey and especially Minnesota being crappy teams, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Minnesota had to be at no more than 125% of the crappiness given out to New Jersey for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here by a long shot (only New Jersey met the condition). This trade no way in hell satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Trade ID
Trade ID #4809666



New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -12.0 W; +5.7 complaints to refs, and +9.1 random subs (assumes 48.0 min of actual coaching).
Incoming Coach
Randy Wittman
6-6 SG from Indiana
0.24 W, 36.5 complaints to refs, 12.4 random subs in 48.0 minutes
Outgoing Coach
Lawrence Frank
5-10 Team Mgr from Indiana
0.42 W, 30.8 complaints to refs, 3.3 random subs in 48.0 minutes

Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +12.0 W; -5.7 complaints to refs, and -9.1 random subs (assumes 48.0 min of actual coaching).
Incoming Coach
Lawrence Frank
5-10 Team Mgr from Indiana
0.42 W, 30.8 complaints to refs, 3.3 random subs in 48.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
Randy Wittman
6-6 SG from Indiana
0.24 W, 36.5 complaints to refs, 12.4 random subs in 48.0 minutes

[AQuintus]

Come on! Wittman has waaay more random subs than that! I'd like to meet the score keeper keeping track of those stats and give him a piece of my mind.

[karch34]

For the Wolves, this saves them over $21 mil, and makes them a max-deal player in the 2009 free agency, avoiding the huge risk of banking everything on getting a good free agent in the competitive 2010 race. Mike Miller is a great fit for us, and I like him at $9 mil a year, but since we aren't a play-off team, I just can't justify that he's worth $19 mil a year .. and a pick. CLE gets the perfect player to add that could win them a ring (and keep LeBron), and they get two chances at it, this year and next. Including Carney doesn't sway me one way or another.

I don't mind getting an extra pick, even though we're crammed full. At a minimum, we could just sell it, but even if we don't, its always a little extra incentive in a deal to get us the players we want.

I'm really coming around to the idea that we have a much better chance in 2009 free agency than 2010 as well. I think we all like Miller, but at the same time he's an expensive option for a rebuilding team that could be used to get better. I think we'd all like to see a trade where we got a young player who has potential to be a star in return, but that's not likely and the cap space and extra picks would be helpful.

As far as the extra picks I think we acquire as many as possible and use them on draft day to assure ourselves of Rubio and Thabeet.

[C.lupus]

As far as the extra picks I think we acquire as many as possible and use them on draft day to assure ourselves of Rubio and Thabeet.

I'm definitely on board with that.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I think we all like Miller, but at the same time he's an expensive option for a rebuilding team that could be used to get better.

I liked him better on paper as a player getting wide open looks from the Al double teams and the freedom to take over the offense when things stagnate. In reality, he's ranked 200th in usage rate, somehow behind Gomes, Foye, Telfair, Love, McCants, and Craig Smith.....totally unacceptable

[shrink]

Great post GopherIt!

With the Trade Checker being my only friend, it was like I was at a celebrity roast!

[TrentTuckerForever]

Due to New Jersey and especially Minnesota being crappy teams, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Minnesota had to be at no more than 125% of the crappiness given out to New Jersey for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here by a long shot (only New Jersey met the condition). This trade no way in hell satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

LOL... needed that (and the Obama smoking pic, thanks Devilz) on a cold and grey Monday morning.

I think they only way the Woofies move Miller is for a vet PG. Otherwise they'll keep trying to build the way they are going... this team is too young as it is, with lots more draft picks coming up.

How good would Billups have looked in a Wolves' uni? I know it's not as sexy as trading for Iverson, but the Wolves could have offered Detroit:

Collins, Carney, Booth (all expirings) + a young guy (McCants, Foye, Brewer)

for Billups

Just daydreaming, I know, but Detroit could have ended up in the same cap position they are looking at next summer and have a guy like McCants to show for it. Just saying, that's the kind of move the Wolves should be looking at, not a deal to get younger.

[Worm Guts]

Just daydreaming, I know, but Detroit could have ended up in the same cap position they are looking at next summer and have a guy like McCants to show for it. Just saying, that's the kind of move the Wolves should be looking at, not a deal to get younger.

I don't know, as long as the Wolves look like a 20 win team I'm not sure it's a good idea to trade expensive veterans. If they begin to show the improvement we expected, then sure, let's push for the playoffs.

[TrentTuckerForever]

^Yeah. One of the reasons Miller is so good for this team is that he's a vet with some tread left on the tire. Billups is already 32... although his game (based on shooting and saavy, not necessarily quickness) should age well, you can argue his contract would be too much of a risk for such a young team.

Still, imagine what a difference a player like Chauncey would make both on the floor and off for guys like Jefferson, Love, Gomes, Foye, even Telfair. It's kind of chicken/egg argument: will the Wolves get better when they get older, or do they have to get better to get older (i.e. add a player like Billups)?