Week 10 - Packers @ Queens - 11/9 - 12 PM CST

[Mags FTW]

Well, it all starts with the O-Line. They can't protect, so McCarthy can't go 5-wide and the playbook gets smaller. But still, you need to run at least 1 exotic or trick play a game, maybe even every half. Just so the defense has that thought in the back of their mind. A reverse, a flea-flicker, a fake reverse, a HB option pass...something different. Our offense and defense are so vanilla it's pathetic.

[Mags FTW]

And 50+ yards is NOT FG range...

[trwi7]

And 50+ yards is NOT FG range...

Yep, dome or not that's a ridiculous length to expect your kicker to make. First, he has to make sure he gets it high enough to avoid the block, then he needs to make sure he has enough leg and he needs great accuracy. Would've liked better play calling at the end. They basically played for the 50+ yard FG attempt with that play calling.

[Mags FTW]

Hey, the Steelers with a flea-flicker! And it leads to a TD! How about that, McCarthy!?

[Jollay]

So go 4-5 wide anyway, its still the same line as last year. Just instruct Rodgers to get rid of the ball for incompletions if necessary.

What is frustrating to me is I was told we would have an exciting new offense where we can do many more things, based primarily on Rodgers' mobility.

What I have seen is a more traditional, vanilla-type offense that actually I think would be more suited for Favre, not Rodgers.

I don't get it. I think MM wanted to not throw it all on Rodgers right away, and wanted to protect him a little at first--I agree with that but I would rather see us just cutting loose with him.

I mean the guy is getting the crap beat out of him anyway, some due to the line and other blockers, some due to him holding the ball--why not?

But this defense continues to prove that it is merely average when the chips are down, and with stopping the run--which is death in December anyway.

[msiris]

Well, it all starts with the O-Line. They can't protect, so McCarthy can't go 5-wide and the playbook gets smaller. But still, you need to run at least 1 exotic or trick play a game, maybe even every half. Just so the defense has that thought in the back of their mind. A reverse, a flea-flicker, a fake reverse, a HB option pass...something different. Our offense and defense are so vanilla it's pathetic.

Part of the problem is that AR tries to step sideways too much. We have the same line last year, but Brett steps up a lot more than AR does. And he is a lot stronger than AR is. Brett was able to make people miss and AR is not able to do so. With AR we need a better line than we have.

[rilamann]

And 50+ yards is NOT FG range...

Depends who your kicker is.

Crosby has hit from 50+ yards before (outdoors) so thats HIS range and he was hitting from 60 in pregame so you would have confidence the guy could hit a 52 yarder,Crosby choked he shoulda made the kick thats the bottomline.

As for the offensive play calling at the end you could argue it was conservative but once agian the Packers where in Crosby's range so why take a chance.

If you watched the game the Packers couldnt get any pass protection all game so when you consider the Packers where down 1 with less than a minute and in Croby's range why take a chance.

Trust me man if MM thought we could get closer without taking a huge risk of a sack or turnover he would have been more agressive.

MM was conservative but the same people saying that would blast him if he was agressive and Rodgers took a sack or threw a pick.Then the arm chair QBs would be saying why take a chance when your in Crosby's range lol.

Its a lose lose situation for MM if Crosby misses the kick.

It might be different if the Packers had been getting good pass protection all game but they wernt, or if you had a kicker who hasnt proved he can make a 52 yard FG which Crosby has.

Im not even saying I agree with MM's play calling overall today it was questionable a few times and it was vanilla but you cant blame MM for his play calling at the end of the game and you cant blame MM for Crosby missing a kick (52 yards) which he has made in the past.

[trwi7]

60 yarders in practice are completely different than 52 yarders in games. Ryan Longwell hit a 54 yarder earlier. That must be his range indoors since he hit it. That's ridiculous.

[msiris]

And 50+ yards is NOT FG range...

Depends who your kicker is.

Crosby has hit from 50+ yards before (outdoors) so thats HIS range and he was hitting from 60 in pregame so you would have confidence the guy could hit a 52 yarder,Crosby choked he shoulda made the kick thats the bottomline.

As for the offensive play calling at the end you could argue it was conservative but once agian the Packers where in Crosby's range so why take a chance.

If you watched the game the Packers couldnt get any pass protection all game so when you consider the Packers where down 1 with less than a minute and in Croby's range why take a chance.

Trust me man if MM thought we could get closer without taking a huge risk of a sack or turnover he would have been more agressive.

MM was conservative but the same people saying that would blast him if he was agressive and Rodgers took a sack or threw a pick.Then the arm chair QBs would be saying why take a chance when your in Crosby's range lol.

Its a lose lose situation for MM if Crosby misses the kick.

It might be different if the Packers had been getting good pass protection all game but they wernt, or if you had a kicker who hasnt proved he can make a 52 yard FG which Crosby has.

Im not even saying I agree with MM's play calling overall today it was questionable a few times and it was vanilla but you cant blame MM for his play calling at the end of the game and you cant blame MM for Crosby missing a kick (52 yards) which he has made in the past.

No he did not choke. He missed it by inches. If it was a 45 yarder it would have been good, since it tailed at the end. MM did nothing to give his team better odds to win the game.

[MickeyDavis]

Lots of bad things today. Rodgers looked like a deer in the headlights from the first snap, even before the o-line started to suck. And can we please get a new punter?

[msiris]

Lots of bad things today. Rodgers looked like a deer in the headlights from the first snap, even before the o-line started to suck. And can we please get a new punter?

We had a good one .but TT out smarted himself.

[rilamann]

60 yarders in practice are completely different than 52 yarders in games. Ryan Longwell hit a 54 yarder earlier. That must be his range indoors since he hit it. That's ridiculous.

No kidding a 60 yarder in pregame is different than a 52 yarder in a game situation,I wasnt saying it was the same.

My point is if a guy's hitting from that distance in pregame and has hit a from like 54 or 53 yards before in game situations and has hit big FGs (see week 1 vs Philly last year) you have confidence the guy can hit a 52 yarder.

You'd have a point if Crosby's carrer long was 45 yards and he was like 1-5 from 50+ yards.You'd also have a point if the o-line was pass blocking and if Riodgers was on his game today.

I would have loved if the Packers had put themselves in position for a closer attempt but the game and the way it was played and the way our o-line & Rodgers played over the first 58 minutes dictated that once the Packers got into Crosby's range the play calling had to get conservative.

[slappyg]

Speaking of the punter, yes he needs to go. Plus his hold wasn't good on the last kick, had the ball at a 45 degree angle. I think that's what caused him to miss.

[trwi7]

My point is if a guy's hitting from that distance in pregame and has hit a from like 54 or 53 yards before in game situations and has hit big FGs (see week 1 vs Philly last year) you have confidence the guy can hit a 52 yarder.

His career long is 53 yards. His long this year is 51 yards. He is now 5-9 from 50 or more yards in his career. That's on McCarthy, he needs to know these things. 5-8 isn't great and it's certainly not good enough for the conservative play calling.