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McDyess And Nuggets Reach Agreement On Buyout!

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Re: McDyess And Nuggets Reach Agreement On Buyout! 

Post#41 » by campybatman » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:36 am

Pistons coach Michael Curry sighed deeply before acknowledging it was a concern when asked whether he was worried about the possibility of Antonio McDyess going to Boston.



"I saw that Boston and Cleveland were interested," said Curry before the Celtics beat the Pistons, 88-76, last night at the Palace of Auburn Hills. "It's always a concern that those guys can pick him up. They're great teams, teams we have to compete against here in the East.



When asked if he was confident McDyess would return to Detroit, Curry said: "I wish I was confident. It would make my life a lot easier. But I don't know what is going to happen with the situation."


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Instead, McDyess, who wanted no part of a return to Denver, officially was listed on the Nuggets roster as "inactive," pending the official announcement of a contract buyout that will bring him about $6 million. "We're still waiting to have things completed," Nuggets vice president Rex Chapman said. Soon, McDyess will be free to sign with another team — and perhaps return to the Pistons. Any system that can allow this to happen is ridiculous. Although speculation about a McDyess buyout began almost the instant news of the trade broke last Monday, Chapman continued to indicate that the Nuggets had hopes of getting McDyess back into a Denver uniform. "Oh, sure, we made the deal with that in mind," Chapman said. "We're living in a different NBA today, and you have to kind of roll with the punches, so to speak." Denver Post
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Post#42 » by D-WestFan » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:54 am

TheCelticTruth wrote:nothing to mind, do you really think youll have more minutes for him? i know theres more money in CLE.

he kinda replicates joe smith too, hes better but joe smith was one of the more effective cavs against us last year

hes behind Z, varejao, and wallace there, thats already one more big than hed be behind on the depth chart here

yeah, but the thing is, Z is barely playing 30 mins, and ben is only getting 20 mins, it may not neccesarily be more minutes, but i think he'd get about equal minutes atleast, but in cleveland theres no dominant big man to take touches away from him (Ben, Varejao, Dice, Z, 2 people on that list can actually score, if you keep dice and Varejao or Dice and ben on the court at the same time, you can see whose going to be doing most of the scoring...)


If we get dice, i will worship danny ferry, because basically he'd have managed to aquire Dice and Mo Williams for Joe Smith and Damon jones.. Lol!
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Post#43 » by TheCelticTruth » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:03 am

oh right, i forgot smith was traded, my b
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Post#44 » by captain_cheapseats » Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:48 am

Anyone think he might go to a decent darkhorse team where he'd be a great fit, like Orlando?
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Post#45 » by TheCelticTruth » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:26 am

its possible but i doubt it, i really feel like hes goes to a team with a better chance of winning than detroit or detroit
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Post#46 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:26 pm

If he is serious about winning, he will come to Boston. Otherwise he's just out for a fat contract to finish off his career...I think that could hurt his legacy (not that I care or if he even has one) since the competitive fire is obviously not there if that's the case.

However, I'd love to see him in green, and he can replace POB on the roster!
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Post#47 » by Red2 » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:30 pm

I sort of feel like the league should look into these deals just the way they did last year when Dallas was going to trade stackhouse to NJ in the Kidd deal and then get him back. IF Dumars made the deal with the understanding or belief that McDyess would be waived then he should not be allowed to go back to Detroit. In my mind there is no question but that Dumars knew or believed mcDyess would be waived and that he had a better than 50% chance of getting him back. The problem of course is proving this but if I were Stern I'd call up both GM's and interview them. Deals like this are bad for the league and should be heavily policed.
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Post#48 » by canman1971 » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:35 pm

Red2 wrote:I sort of feel like the league should look into these deals just the way they did last year when Dallas was going to trade stackhouse to NJ in the Kidd deal and then get him back. IF Dumars made the deal with the understanding or belief that McDyess would be waived then he should not be allowed to go back to Detroit. In my mind there is no question but that Dumars knew or believed mcDyess would be waived and that he had a better than 50% chance of getting him back. The problem of course is proving this but if I were Stern I'd call up both GM's and interview them. Deals like this are bad for the league and should be heavily policed.



They just need to extend the waiting period to 90 days or the following season. That would fix it.
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Post#49 » by campybatman » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:51 pm

Just like I wouldn't hold my breathe for Boston getting Mourning or Mutombo, both prefer where they were: Miami and Houston. I feel the same about McDyess. Here's further evidence that Boston and other teams are wasting their time and interest.

Obviously, McDyess will remain mum on his intention because he doesn't want to pull a Stackhouse.



Yet sources close to the situation told ESPN.com on Friday and reiterated Monday that it would be a major shock if McDyess did not return to the Pistons as long as he gets the choice to pick his next team, which is consistent with McDyess' well-chronicled aversion to relocating at age 34. "Dice only wants to play in Detroit," one source close to the situation said. If he sustains that refusal to budge and rejoins the Pistons next month, McDyess will almost certainly emerge from this saga having left significant money on the table. Even after a trade kicker worth $1.3 million was triggered by the Iverson deal and applied to his two-year, $13.6 million contract, sources said McDyess agreed to forfeit nearly $9 million in guaranteed salary in his buyout with the Nuggets. ESPN.com



"I think he's going to Detroit," said Celtics guard Sam Cassell, who is good friends with McDyess. "I know he's comfortable with Detroit. He has a place there and everything. His comfort level might be there." Boston Globe



Miller said he had a long conversation with the 6-foot-9-inch, 240-pounder Sunday night but wasn't certain what order of importance the factors of location, money, and a contending team were. "If he wants, he'll give me some pecking order," Miller said. "That will give me direction." Boston Globe
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Post#50 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:59 pm

Unfortunately, I agree that he probably will go back to Detroit, which is a shame...they have no chance of competing...that window is WELDED shut now!
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Post#51 » by MaxwellSmart » Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:43 pm

Yes, obviously there's money under the table for him to go back to Detroit.
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Post#52 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:46 pm

canman1971 wrote:
Red2 wrote:I sort of feel like the league should look into these deals just the way they did last year when Dallas was going to trade stackhouse to NJ in the Kidd deal and then get him back. IF Dumars made the deal with the understanding or belief that McDyess would be waived then he should not be allowed to go back to Detroit. In my mind there is no question but that Dumars knew or believed mcDyess would be waived and that he had a better than 50% chance of getting him back. The problem of course is proving this but if I were Stern I'd call up both GM's and interview them. Deals like this are bad for the league and should be heavily policed.



They just need to extend the waiting period to 90 days or the following season. That would fix it.

This...that way the guy either has to sit out or eat it and play for another team.
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Post#53 » by Dave_From_NB » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:13 pm

Red2 wrote:I sort of feel like the league should look into these deals just the way they did last year when Dallas was going to trade stackhouse to NJ in the Kidd deal and then get him back. IF Dumars made the deal with the understanding or belief that McDyess would be waived then he should not be allowed to go back to Detroit. In my mind there is no question but that Dumars knew or believed mcDyess would be waived and that he had a better than 50% chance of getting him back. The problem of course is proving this but if I were Stern I'd call up both GM's and interview them. Deals like this are bad for the league and should be heavily policed.


The whole in-season buyout thing in the NBA is questionable IMO, including the frenzy that happens around the trade deadline with vets being bought out from crummy teams. It just rewards GM's for not planning properly. With a situation with a guy like McDyess, either a 3-way trade should be worked out so teams end up with players they actually want, or if a guy doesn't want to honor his contract he should be suspended without pay.
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Post#54 » by Dave_From_NB » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:14 pm

Removed, double post.
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Post#55 » by MyInsatiableOne » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:17 pm

Wow, nice double-post! 8-)
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Post#56 » by sully00 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:50 am

Dave_From_NB wrote:The whole in-season buyout thing in the NBA is questionable IMO, including the frenzy that happens around the trade deadline with vets being bought out from crummy teams. It just rewards GM's for not planning properly. With a situation with a guy like McDyess, either a 3-way trade should be worked out so teams end up with players they actually want, or if a guy doesn't want to honor his contract he should be suspended without pay.


The part of this you have to understand is that the teams benefit from this situation as much as the players. McDyess would have been suspended without pay and that would have done what for the Nuggets? But that doesn't matter because they fully made the trade with the intention of buying him out at a rate that solves their lux tax problems.

This is the fallout of the salary structure in the NBA. Do you like trades like DEN did with LAC were they trade an All Star center for a 2nd round pick? Just accept that trades in the NBA are all about the money first talent second.

It is so hard to make roster moves especially for the most competitive teams in the NBA that this buyout situation is almost as important a part of GM's job as FA and trades. Be thankful that Danny Ainge understands that and leaves himself flexibility salary and roster wise to take advantage of it.

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