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Should KG stay under the boards more?

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Should KG stay under the boards more?

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Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#1 » by cfan79 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:44 pm

I love KG and all, but it seems like Perk is left alone under the boards too much. Do you think that KG is shooting from the outside because he's thinking about longevity? He takes less of a beaten because he's taking his 18 footers on the offensive end of the floor.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#2 » by Rocky5000 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:58 pm

I think KG has to be more a shooter and outside player, because Rondo is really effective at drawing defenses in, but refuses to shoot from the outside. When Rondo does get inside and draws multiple defenders, he's looking to kick it out to the guy who's man collapsed in on him. If KG was playing in the low post, the lane would get more clogged up and Rondo wouldn't have anyone to kick it out to. With Perk down low - he can do some dump off passes if the center rotates over, but I think it'd be too clogged with two guys operating down low to make it possible. With the 2nd unit and KG out of the game, Big Baby plays the KG role, even though he is not the type of shooter KG is, and is much more effective in the post.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#3 » by celticfan42487 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:29 pm

KG's like 215lbs. He's an outside player primarly unless we need him down low.

I think he's gone down there plenty and it's probuly best to just hope Perk beats the other center then put KG on the muscle and box out boards offensively.

It sucks at the start because the team is saving itself so we don't have much of a post presence or driving presence. But KG's stand and shoot 18 footer has shown to be just as good as Pierce's; which is remarkable.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#4 » by Truthiracy » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:50 pm

I think he should, because Perk doesn't do a good job.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#5 » by Dave_From_NB » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:58 pm

I'd like KG to play a bit more underneath, but not much. His being on the outside opens things up for Rondo and Pierce to drive, and Ray isn't bad at it as well. He's being covered probably by their defender who has a combination of length and quickness, and we don't want that guy doing help defense in the way that KG can.

I'm generally not all that enthusiastic about jump shooting as versus driving to the basket, but KG has his sweet spots. I like it when he mixes it up a bit though and if he is shooting all jumpers, he's not being as effective as he can be.

The other element of KG not hanging around under the offensive basket, is it puts him in a position to help on defense for the break, until things get set up with Perk and sometimes Ray (doing a cut or in the corner looking for a 3 pointer) needing more time to get back and in position.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#6 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:28 pm

Doc's policy is to defend the break and not try too hard for offensive rebounds.

It looks like the C's offensive rebounding team numbers are kind of average for the league.

Seems like a defensible trade-off to me.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#7 » by Kefa461 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:15 am

cfan79 wrote:I love KG and all, but it seems like Perk is left alone under the boards too much. Do you think that KG is shooting from the outside because he's thinking about longevity? He takes less of a beaten because he's taking his 18 footers on the offensive end of the floor.



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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#8 » by Red2 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 3:58 am

kg is not changing his game at this stage of his career. he's a 7 ft jump shooter who has a finesse game around the rim instead of a power game. With Leon mia we really have no post game at the moment. that late turnover by perk when we were down 2 was basically the game. that was one play where I thought we needed rondo . pierce and ray allen had some bad turnovers tonight but that one by perk was the killer
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#9 » by bruno sundov » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:14 pm

This subject has been beaten to death.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#10 » by cfan79 » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:20 pm

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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#11 » by bruno sundov » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:03 pm

You were here all last year to. Same stuff over and ove. The guy is a stud. lets leave it at that. Cfan where have you been?
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#12 » by return2glory » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:46 pm

KG does need to post up more. He is 7'0 tall, has long arms, good hops, and a nice turn around jumper that's very hard to block.

I would also like KG to get to the line more. He has only taken 26 FT's in 11 games. He should easily get to the line about 4 times a game.

KG had a slow start but is coming on on late. He doesn't need to change his game too much, but he needs to take about 3-4 more shots per game inside on 12 feet.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#13 » by rambo_ortega » Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:32 am

if KG stays down low too much. our offense would suffer. how can you put kg down there if perk or powe couldn't even hit mid range shots? wouldn't their spacing be bad or kg would be easier to double team coz as you notice, he gets double teamed every time he gets the ball down low.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#14 » by MyInsatiableOne » Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:59 pm

LucerneStDoggz wrote:I think he should, because Perk doesn't do a good job.


I agree with this and what Dave_from_NB said
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#15 » by tombattor » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:17 pm

You do realize that KG's ability to make jumpers opens things up inside, right? It's by design to take advantage of KG's ability to draw the big away from the basket, which opens up driving lanes for other players.
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Re: Should KG stay under the boards more? 

Post#16 » by cisco » Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:33 pm

I think he should play more inside, not a lot, but under certain circumstances. Like against the Bucks the other night when Bogut fouled out. The C's has trouble scoring in the 4th quarter and turned the ball over 4 possessions in a row. While Bogut was out of the game, KG should have camped out inside and the C's should have went to him for the last few possessions. There would have been no overtime, imo, if this had been done for just a few possession when Bogut fouled out. I understand that with KG's thin frame that this is not something he want to or should do too often.

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