Offseason outlook/Trade ideas

[greenbeans]

Instead of having threads about random guys who will most likely never play for the Sox, why not just have an all purpose one?

Would Bucholz/Delcarmen for Fielder cut it? If not for Prince maybe Hardy?

Lugo for Willis? Hey, Pawtucket needs a new ace don't they?

[Basketball Jesus]

Random guys? What the hell are you talking about?

I actually kind of like the Lugo for Willis idea. You’d probably have to eat some cash or throw in a prospect to make it work but Willis would be a pretty good haul for Lugo’s bloated contract. He’s still young enough that some kind of rebound wouldn’t be out of the question and his GB/FB rates might mitigate the toll Fenway Park has on lefties. Detroit might be tempted as well, given the exorbitant price a player like Rafael Furcal is going to command this winter. Lugo and Lin for Willis? That would probably represent the ideal trade situation for Lugo.

I’m all for Fielder and have advocated trading a package involving Lester for him. I doubt he’s traded but I’d be extremely pissed if the Sox didn’t at least make a serious offer for him.

[Celtics_Champs]

Seth Everett from mlb.com was on the herd earlier and said that he thinks Tex will end up signing with the red sox. I don't know if he is an insider or just a writer, but take that for what it's worth.

Also mentioned Derek Lowe.

[canman1971]

An offseason getting Tex and Lowe would be pretty damn good, and you know other moves (Lowell, Lugo) would follow.

[sunshinekids99]

I'm all for bringing in Tex and Dlowe to this team. Problem then becomes what can you actually get for Mike Lowell?

As for Lugo, I would also like to see a trade to get the Dtrain. See if your guys can fix him and maybe he can provide something to the team later in the season. However despite his contract I Lugo would do fine taking over the Cora spot on this team. Lugo can play all over the field (I know his defense is nothing to write home about) and he's got good speed.

Now to Prince Fielder. I'd rather get Tex, but if that is not an option I'd be all for Fielder. He's young and has a ton of power. Problem is there is no way I'm moving Jon Lester for him. If they take from the Buchholz, Bowden, Masterson, Delcarmen group then I'm in. I also really would mind if Ellsbury's name came up.

[Basketball Jesus]

Bringing Teix on to the team means either Youk or Lowell is gone next season and, out of those two, Youk is much easier to trade. It might actually make sense to trade him at the peak of his value; I could see a team sending a couple of B/B+ prospects the Sox way for Youk.

Better yet, what about Youk and Buchholz to the Brewers for Prince Fielder (and a lower-level scrub prospect)? Who blinks first?

[Celtics_Champs]

Real big fan of fielder, huh?

Fielder, Teix, whoever, it doen't really matter to me, as long as we get another bat. I like papi, and am not for trading him, I like youk. Lowell is the odd man out in my book. But like others have stated, no one is going to want a overweight DH, or a injured 3B.

Turns out the sox are doing their homework on willis. I have a feeling that, it does get done.

[Basketball Jesus]

For what it costs to get Fielder (prospects + his salary), and how much one would theoretically have to overpay for Teix on the open market (including the compensatory pick), I think Fielder is the better value. That’s not to say I think he’s the better player: Teix’s defense and Fielder’s body type most likely makes Teix the odds-on favorite to have a better career over the length of their contracts; I just think Teix is going to cost way too much.

[Celtics_Champs]

^^Yeah, I guess I really don't want another boras client. I am sick of that guy.

Anyone catch that OTL on manny and the sox? It was back in 00 when he was a free agent. And cameras followed him and his agent, along with duqette around, and really got into the process of signing a FA. Pretty cool.

[greenbeans]

Yeah, that was a good watch. The part at the end when they wake up Moorad and tell him it all boils down to the clubhouse guy is the stuff of legend.
The start of the show with the Gomez piece seemed like more of the Sox fo throwing dirt on the name of Manny too. can't blame em though.

[jcfinaticholla5]

i think the dontrelle or nate rob trade for lugo is actually a good trade.. if they dont workout as a starter you can turn them into long relievers, plus anyone is better than lugo.

a couple other ideas are
1. brad penny.. since he's coming off injury and a bad year, he's not going to get big bucks, but remember he's an allstar pitcher who once teamed with beckett to dominate the yanks in the world series.

2. sign Kerry Wood, because he can be either a setup man for pap, or if he can regain his arm strength to the point he can go back to a starter, you have a 5th starter

3. trade coco crisp to these possible destinations...
Chicago Cubs along with clay buchholz for micah hoffpauir jose ceda and sean marshall
Chicago White Sox for matt thornton
Seattle for eric bedard or jj putz

4 sign mark teixera and trade mike lowell or papi both with injuries for prospects

5 sign derek lowe who might sign for cheap since he favors a return to boston

6 try to trade david pauley and michael bowden for j salty

7 sure up the bullpen by signing either joe biemel, will ohman, chad cordero(setup)

8 sign AJ Burnett

9 sign rocco baldelli

10 bring nomar back to boston as a utility man

11 sign felipe lopez as a backup for pedroia and lowrie.. also good speed if a pinch runner needed

here's the lineup im hoping for
1. ellsbury CF
2. pedroia 2b
3. Youk 3b
4. Teixera 1b
5. Bay LF
6. Lowell DH
7. JD Drew RF
8. Varitek C
9. Lowrie ss
... sorry but papi is on the decline and i dont think he'll be the same without his buddy manny
SP
1. Lester
2. Dice K
3. Beckett
4. Burnett
5. Wakefield
6. D Train(probably will start in AAA til he gets on track)
RP
1. Joe Biemel
2. Hideki Okajima
3. Jaiver Lopez
4. Manny Delcarmen
5. Justin Masterson
6. Sean Marshall
7. Jose Ceda
8. J Paps


Bench
1. Rocco Baldelli
2. Felipe Lopez
3. Jeff Bailey
4. Micah Hoffpauir
5. Nomar Garciaparra
6. Chris Carter
7. Jonathon Van Every

[sunshinekids99]

Sorry but Nomar will not be walking through that door. And there is no way that they make that many moves.

[jcfinaticholla5]

yea i kno they wont make that many moves, thats why its not called projected lineup, its called "hopeful" and whose to say nomar wont come back as a bench player? boston loves him, he loves boston, you never know what kind of moves theo will make.. just like today, nobody would of guessed them trading Coco to Kansas City...

[sunshinekids99]

I feel pretty safe to say the Red Sox have not even thought about contacting Nomar.

[Celtics_Champs]

The Red sox met with free agent Junichi Tazawa and reportedly offered him a deal worth about $6 million.

That's likely similar to what Atlanta offered him earlier this month. The Mariners, Phillies, Indians and Tigers are also believed to be interested in the 22-year-old Tazawa.

Found that on rotoworld. Interesting... that is the first contract offer the sox have made, I guess they really are interested in him.

[studcrackers]

congrats on getting wes littleton, i doubt he'll make your roster since he's out of options but i enjoyed watching him pitch

[sunshinekids99]

Littleton has an outside shot to make the team. I think it's a solid move for the Sox. Littleton is two years removed from his dominate numbers, but he is still young 26 or 27 I believe. Has shown very good numbers on the road for his career as well.

Right now he looks like the 11th or 12th pitcher on the roster. But it is still very very early.

[Celts09]

http://baseball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/12537/20081206/boras_selling_teixeira_and_varitek_as_package_deal/

FoxSports - Some rival agents believe that Scott Boras might be offering Jason Varitek in a "package deal" with the catcher's friend and fellow Georgia Tech alum, free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira.

The Red Sox are pursuing Teixeira, and the Nationals are among the other teams that might have interest in both players.

[canman1971]

I don't believe anything that comes out of "rival agents" mouths. And on top of that, it would collusion if he were doing so. I think what he may be doing is just trying to convince the Sox that signing V will help Tex make his decision since they are friends. How many teams need a catcher and 1B that have that kind of money to spend? The Red Sox. After that, nobody else.

[greenbeans]

So, Houston is looking to pretty much giveaway Tejada and his 13mil salary, they're also willing to eat half to make it happen. We're looking to give away Lugo and his 9. Any chance Houston would swap em straight up to save 4mil instead of paying to get rid of the guy? Maybe throw in a lower level prospect. The Sox and Tejada have been connected for as long as I can remember and why not let that revolving door at short spin one more time? As much as we all love Lowrie with his potential and Varitek circa02 grittiness, getting Tejada at an extreme discount seems like a good move, atleast imro.

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Astros are willing to trade Miguel Tejada. Teams are interested in him as a shortstop and third baseman. Rosenthal figures the Twins, Dodgers, Giants, and Angels could be matches. He adds that the Astros realize they'd have to eat some of Tejada's $13MM for '09. Richard Justice figures it'd require eating at least half.

Rosenthal says the Astros are not inclined to trade closer Jose Valverde. And Justice figures Ty Wigginton could be tough to move as his salary climbs toward $10MM.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/a ... lling.html