Cavs/Wolves

[LBusiness]

Is Miller available yet? You guys seem very upset with the current state of the Wolves.

Wally could bring some older veteran leadership plus he knows what it's like to get max money and can explain to younger guys how to be pros, plus he is already familiar with the organization.

Wally has been apart of our winning culture,and can bring his experience to you guy's youth.

Miller is not that type of guy to baby sit young players.

You guys have so many picks so I don't know rather to offer a future 1st or none at all.


Minnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
Wally Szczerbiak
Wally Szczerbiak
Salary: $13,775,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 6.6 REB: 1.3 AST: 0.6 PER: 11.26

Outgoing Players: Mike Miller, Mark Madsen
Cleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
Salary: $9,028,575 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 13.0 REB: 4.7 AST: 4.3 PER: 15.17
Mark Madsen
Mark Madsen
Salary: $2,630,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 0.0 REB: 2.0 AST: 1.0 PER: 7.22

Outgoing Players: Wally Szczerbiak

[shrink]

Geeze, your other offer is still on the front page ..

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=851019

.. and now you offer this? No Cardinal, no picks, just give you the much much better player?

This is a really bad offer.

[hijacktheparade]

How many times are we going to see a Szczerbiak for Miller deal? It's starting to get annoying.

[digitaldropoff]

Dude...Wally sucks. He can barely get through a complete season....he was like that with the Wolves, and he'll be like that wherever he ends up finishing his "career". He's no more a winner than MM..just because you reach the playoffs or even ride the coattails of LBJ doesn't make you a winner. To me, Cleveland has zero to offer us..regardless of how bad we suck at the moment. I do like D West..but we already have a back up point guard..actually three...thanks, but no thanks.

[C.lupus]

Go away already.

[Basti]

wow I already count the days until you offer this the next time

[TrentTuckerForever]

Still, Wally's expiring has value. A counter:

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +1.3 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and +2.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Calvin Booth
6-11 C from Penn State
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Rodney Carney
6-6 SF from Memphis
2.8 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.6 minutes
Brian Cardinal
6-8 SF / PF from Purdue
0.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 4.7 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
13.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.3 apg in 36.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Anderson Varejao
6-10 PF / C from Brazil (Foreign)
8.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.7 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF / SG from Miami-OH
6.4 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.5 minutes
Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.3 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and -2.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Anderson Varejao
6-10 PF / C from Brazil (Foreign)
8.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.7 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF / SG from Miami-OH
6.4 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Calvin Booth
6-11 C from Penn State
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Rodney Carney
6-6 SF from Memphis
2.8 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.6 minutes
Brian Cardinal
6-8 SF / PF from Purdue
0.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 4.7 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
13.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.3 apg in 36.2 minutes

After Dec. 5th. Miller, Cardinal and small expirings for Szczerbiak's big expiring and Varejao. Varejao fits the Wolves' need for an active, defensive-minded big, and his minutes with Cleveland could be played by the promising (or so he looked in summer league) J.J. Hickson.

[Basti]

Still, Wally's expiring has value. A counter:

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +1.3 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and +2.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Calvin Booth
6-11 C from Penn State
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Rodney Carney
6-6 SF from Memphis
2.8 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.6 minutes
Brian Cardinal
6-8 SF / PF from Purdue
0.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 4.7 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
13.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.3 apg in 36.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Anderson Varejao
6-10 PF / C from Brazil (Foreign)
8.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.7 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF / SG from Miami-OH
6.4 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.5 minutes
Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.3 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and -2.9 apg.
Incoming Players
Anderson Varejao
6-10 PF / C from Brazil (Foreign)
8.1 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.7 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF / SG from Miami-OH
6.4 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.6 apg in 18.5 minutes
Outgoing Players
Calvin Booth
6-11 C from Penn State
No games yet played in 2008-2009
Rodney Carney
6-6 SF from Memphis
2.8 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.6 minutes
Brian Cardinal
6-8 SF / PF from Purdue
0.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 4.7 minutes
Mike Miller
6-8 SG from Florida
13.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.3 apg in 36.2 minutes

After Dec. 5th. Miller, Cardinal and small expirings for Szczerbiak's big expiring and Varejao. Varejao fits the Wolves' need for an active, defensive-minded big, and his minutes with Cleveland could be played by the promising (or so he looked in summer league) J.J. Hickson.

it looks decent valuewise but I think the last thing we need is another player playing out of position b/c Sideshow Bob would play C on our squad and I don't want him to play that. he'd give us a nice big men rotation sure, but I'd be curious to see what we might get if we could get a 3rd team involved.

[shrink]

I agree with you and I've seen Varejao in a few of these proposals from Cavs fans, but the majority feel that Varejao's role is too valuable to the Cavs to include him.

[C.lupus]

And the majority of Wolves fans feel that Miller's role is too valuable to include him. I would probably be OK with this proposal but not just giving Miller away for cap space alone (although I do see the value of cap space as a trading chip).

[TrentTuckerForever]

I agree with you and I've seen Varejao in a few of these proposals from Cavs fans, but the majority feel that Varejao's role is too valuable to the Cavs to include him.

Then I suppose, in the immortal words of The Man in Black, that we're at an impasse... IMO the Wolves need more young veterans like Miller, not less. The opportunity to add someone like Varejao (a young veteran at a position of need) and cap flexibility is too good to pass up, but I wouldn't move Miller for less just because other teams could use him.