Suns @ Jazz 7pm MST

[Duiz]

Boozer leaves we wont be contenders.

What do you think Deron would prefer more? 2004 Detroit Pistons or 2006 Seattle Supersonics. I let your reasoning take over.



PS- Brewer is an issue for later. That cluster of Matt/Brewer and Price/Knight would be important. Price nor Knight have never earned big time money like someone like Cassell.

Brewer won't hit us today, but Harpring will likely be wanting something around 4 million dollars, while Brewer will likely be asking for something around 6 million dollars if not even more. This already would mean a +2 million dollar burden added to the Jazz, which has no margin to increase if they sign Boozer to max money.

I am not sure if you have yet detected the fallacy in your statement about Knight or Price for that matter. Bringing the Sam Cassell or PJ Brown clause.

Sam Cassell
1993-94 Houston Rockets NBA $650,000
1994-95 Houston Rockets NBA $845,000
1995-96 Houston Rockets NBA $1,040,000
1996-97 Total NBA $1,235,000
1997-98 New Jersey Nets NBA $2,500,000
1998-99 Total NBA $3,000,000
1999-00 Milwaukee Bucks NBA $3,500,000
2000-01 Milwaukee Bucks NBA $4,000,000
2001-02 Milwaukee Bucks NBA $4,350,000
2002-03 Milwaukee Bucks NBA $4,850,000
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $5,250,000
2004-05 Minnesota Timberwolves NBA $6,250,000
2005-06 Los Angeles Clippers NBA $6,875,000
2006-07 Los Angeles Clippers NBA $6,850,000
2007-08 Total NBA $6,150,000

PJ Brown1993-94 New Jersey Nets NBA $600,000
1994-95 New Jersey Nets NBA $780,000
1995-96 New Jersey Nets NBA $960,000
1996-97 Miami Heat NBA $2,000,000
1997-98 Miami Heat NBA $3,844,800
1998-99 Miami Heat NBA $4,480,000
1999-00 Miami Heat NBA $5,124,800
2000-01 Charlotte Hornets NBA $5,740,000
2001-02 Charlotte Hornets NBA $6,404,800
2002-03 New Orleans Hornets NBA $7,044,800
2003-04 New Orleans Hornets NBA $8,000,000
2004-05 New Orleans Hornets NBA $8,000,000
2005-06 New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets NBA $8,000,000
2006-07 Chicago Bulls NBA $8,560,000
2007-08 Boston Celtics NBA $474,285

Now look at Price and Knight

Ronnie Price
2005-06 Sacramento Kings NBA $398,762
2006-07 Sacramento Kings NBA $664,209
2007-08 Utah Jazz NBA $1,100,000

Brevin Knight
1997-98 Cleveland Cavaliers NBA $949,320
1998-99 Cleveland Cavaliers NBA $1,092,000
1999-00 Cleveland Cavaliers NBA $1,234,080
2000-01 Total NBA $4,250,000
2001-02 Memphis Grizzlies NBA $4,500,000
2002-03 Memphis Grizzlies NBA $5,000,000
2003-04 Total NBA $5,000,000
2004-05 Charlotte Bobcats NBA $932,546
2005-06 Charlotte Bobcats NBA $4,600,000
2006-07 Charlotte Bobcats NBA $4,400,000
2007-08 Los Angeles Clippers NBA $1,600,000

Brevin Knight specially would want to secure his financial future by having one last great check, which he can get if he performs well on a WINNING Team. Obviously he wants to be here, as the Utah Jazz will make him look good. Not once Knight nor Price have matched the same amount of money that PJ Brown or Sam Cassell have earned in a single season for the sake of being in a winning team. I think your assumption is a stretch.

Miami and other places will offer max money, and I think it would be a mistake to give up the depth and the great team we have to become the 2006 Seattle Supersonics.

[carrottop12]

Boozer at 13-15 million a year>>>>Okur at 8-9 Million a year.

Give Booze the same 4 year 70 million that Deron is getting and call it a day.

[Duiz]

Boozer at 13-15 million a year>>>>Okur at 8-9 Million a year.

Give Booze the same 4 year 70 million that Deron is getting and call it a day.

I agree with you in regards to Okur/Boozer. But the question is... will Okur resign? Of course.

I guess the name of the website is RealGM. This is a GM decision, and I advocate to let Boozer be signed by someone else if Boozer wants to be paid a-la-Rashard.

[The Sheik]

Shame you Carlos Boozer for wanting to get paid. He is the first NBA player to ever have intentions of making money while playing basketball. Duiz, your hate for Boozer is ridiculous. Thats Boozers market value, would I think he is overpaid? Yes, every player in the NBA is overpaid, but thats their market value and you cant do anything about it.

Had no idea Sam and PJ had there own clauses. You realize you're talking about 2 players that are no were near the kind of players Knight and Price are. Secondly one of Price or Knight wont get playing time and wont be establishing their market value. Knight will not make more then 3.5 mil next yr and thats a fact. Price wont make more then 3 mil. Not every journeymen gets to cash in like Mikki Moore. You want a perfect example of what Ronnie Price is look at Matt Barnes. Journeymen that can never pull down a long term contract. Goes from team to team for low salaries and 1yr deals. Sure maybe Knight will leave, but your logic has more fallacies to it then mine. You cant compare a solid starter and borderline all star like a Brown and Cassell to journeymen like Knight or Price...can not.

and please stop insulting the 2004 pistons by even thinking we could be like them sans boozer.

Finally let me tell you something about Matt Harpring. He is bone on bone in his knee and probably should not be playing. When his contract runs out he is done, he is a smart guy that has saved and invested his money, his wife is a doctor and he probably wont be playing bball anymore, at least not with the Jazz. I see him moving back to ATL or if his wife wants to keep her practice her Matt will take a job with the organization or perhaps replace Boone someday.

and one more thing. Boozer at 13-15 million is fair market value. Memo at anything above his current salary is overpaid. Unless Memo signs an extension for cheap I dont see him being here if he opts out. Im not even sure he opts out. If he doesnt opt out he wont be here beyond his contract. He is slowly declining and with a young guy like Koufos waiting in the wings for cheaper you have to make a move. If both Memo and Booze opt out, I resign Booz and Millsap and let Memo walk. Sure Koufos may not be ready, but we can sign or trade for a cheaper C.

[Duiz]

Is the rant over?

I think Boozer, or any player for that matter should be free of guilt when looking for their financial well-being. They have families to feed for the rest of their lives, and this is the time to become prosper. It is preposterous to imply that I hate him because he is looking for money. If that were true, then I would be the Fisher/Kirilenko/Korver/Miles/Add the name of any other NBA player under living in capitalist society hatewagon. I am however not looking how things should be like in the players' frame of view, but rather in the view of the General Manager, Koc and/or Larry Miller.

I think Okur won't be resigned for that much money, and I think he is getting overpaid, and thus the reason why I think he will sign his contract with the Jazz. And I think the Jazz are gonna look to resign him after he is done with this contract, and are gonna likely overpay him if they have the capspace because of his significance in the floor. However, we can't really talk about Okur, or have any credibility whatsoever if a choice first hasn't been made about Boozer.

Matt/Brewer issue is one for another day as well. However, we must have cap freedom is a must for next year with Brewer and then NY 2010 pick (which might not be as high as we would have wanted it to be). However, Matt might want to resign for 3 year contract for 3.5 mil to 4 mil, and this would at least ensure the his future and his family future. Again, this is another decision to be made for another year. One thing to consider is that we will be going at least +1 million dollars in salary, or up to +3 million dollars. Add Korver into the equation, his salary isn't going down.

But the issue at hand is... Almond, Collins, Fesenko, Knight, Price, Millsap and Boozer.

Knight has been coming from a terrible time with the Bobcats, and was signed for 2.4 mil less a year that he was paid before. After being on a winning team, and playing well again, specially now that he is stroking well the ball, I do expect him to at least be paid 2 mil probably up to 3 mil.

Almond doesn't sound like he is staying

Collins, Fesenko, Tomic, and Koufos... and yes Okur, shows that we are bit overloaded. We know Okur and Koufos are coming back. That leaves Fesenko, Collins and Tomic, which we don't really know what might happen. We can at least count that they are going to be paid about the same, so that position stays stable.

But then again, we go back to our problem. Boozer and Millsap. We sign Boozer, we can't sign Millsap. We sign Millsap, we can't sign Boozer. We sign Boozer, and it affects if we resign Memo or not. It also affects whether we sign Brewer to an extension or not. I think I have already made the case why we would be better off without Boozer but with full depth than with Boozer no depth.

The only question at hand is if there is a Larry Bird exception on Boozer, and if we were to use the Larry Bird exception, if we could also use one on Brewer without ever going over the salary cap.

[The Sheik]

Boozer and Millsap both have Bird rights.

Ronnie Brewer would be a RFA if we didnt hammer out an extension and the Jazz have the right to match any offer.

To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Bird-exception contracts can be up to six years in length.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Salary ... _exception

[The Sheik]

Is the rant over?

funny you say that.

[The Sheik]

Matt/Brewer issue is one for another day as well. However, we must have cap freedom is a must for next year with Brewer and then NY 2010 pick (which might not be as high as we would have wanted it to be). However, Matt might want to resign for 3 year contract for 3.5 mil to 4 mil, and this would at least ensure the his future and his family future. Again, this is another decision to be made for another year. One thing to consider is that we will be going at least +1 million dollars in salary, or up to +3 million dollars. Add Korver into the equation, his salary isn't going down.

Buddy, Im telling you right now Matt is done, he isnt going to risk his long term health for another 12 mil. He really shouldnt even be playing now, but he loses money significantly if he doesnt. Finally the Jazz will not re-sign him even if he wants to come back. Think of Byron Russell post Stock-Malone era. The Jazz knew Harpring would decline towards the end of his contract, he isnt getting another one. Korver wont get more then the full MLE, which ironically enough is what he is making now.

Knight has been coming from a terrible time with the Bobcats, and was signed for 2.4 mil less a year that he was paid before. After being on a winning team, and playing well again, specially now that he is stroking well the ball, I do expect him to at least be paid 2 mil probably up to 3 mil.

And if someone is crazy enough to give a 33 yr old 5-6 mil yr to be a backup he can peace out.

But then again, we go back to our problem. Boozer and Millsap. We sign Boozer, we can't sign Millsap. We sign Millsap, we can't sign Boozer. We sign Boozer, and it affects if we resign Memo or not. It also affects whether we sign Brewer to an extension or not. I think I have already made the case why we would be better off without Boozer but with full depth than with Boozer no depth.

Lets say your right about all this. Lets let Boozer walk. If everyone opts out we would be at roughly 44.4 mil in cap used. Lets say your right about over-paying a little for Okur and his salary going up. He makes 10.5 mil, signing a 3-4 yr deal worth between 32-42 mil. Say Millsap signs for 7, Korver for 6, Price for 2, we bring over Tomic for 1.5 and make Koufos the backup C. We then fill the 3 remaining roster spots(putting us at 14) with a minimum salary or so PG, 800k and lets even say the other two are 1 mil guys too.

This yrs tax limit is $71.15 million and lets say it increases to 72. By letting Boozer walk we still pay roughly 2 mil in tax and thats with 3 scrubs in the back end of our roster.

Is this gonna get it done:

Deron/ Price / Kevin Kruger(I know how much you love K-Kru)
Brew/ Korver/ CJ
CJ/AK/Matt
Millsap/Koufos/Lyde
Okur/Koufos/Tomic

Detriot 2004, right?

To quote the gambler you gotta know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em. Hold on to Booz let Okur walk.

[The Sheik]

bump....waiting Duiz.