BCS title game chaos

[GSWbandwagon]

for a while now, it's been pretty much assumed that the title game will consist of the winner of the b12 and sec title games unless mizzou pulls an upset in which case the next best big12 south team steps in. after being completely destroyed last weekend, tex tech has been deemed done.

yet what happens if oksu beats okla next weekend? then (assuming tt beats baylor at home) tt goes to the big12 title game. at that point they're a win away from being a 12-1 champion of the toughest conference in the country this year. would they go from dead to favorite if the #11 team in the country wins its rivalry game at home? do they jump several idle teams, including texas (who tt already beat)? would texas remain ahead of tt despite losing head to head and not even reaching the big12 title game while tt would have the h2h win and the conference title? can a team lose by 40 one week and then rise to #2 in the country the next with only a home win over baylor (and jump a handful of teams in the process)?

[El Turco]

as long as Texas Tech wins the conference, they are in, despite getting bludgeoned last week. they would stay behind Texas after next week but jump over them after beating Missouri.

[LAKESHOW]

EXACTLY!

now folks are startin to come around to what ive been sayin. in essence, it took this loss to pin tech down as a fraud, but no way USC is a 4th place team in that conference.

BUT THEY STACKED THE DECK!!

then all of the sudden, look at the rankings, they conveniently drop tech 5 SPOTS and behind USC?!?! gee wiz, thanks alot. these conferences have a problem when bozo teams like mizzou HAVE A CHANCE, not that they will, BUT MIZZOU HAS A CHANCE TO BE PROCLAIMED BIG12 CHAMPION?!

if anyone cannot see the flaw in that aint seein things straight. and for added laughs, a team ranked BEHIND USC(i.e. tech), could actually jump back over us again and get a big12 championship and possibly A NATIONAL TITLE GAME?! but thank the almighty that folks around here are startin to come around and see things the way LAKESHOW has been seein it.

heres how it is.

1. team from sec
2. team from big12
3. USC!!!

thats it, should one of those teams slip up, USC IS AND SHOULD BE IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!! but the way the deck was stacked, whole conferences had their teams ahead of the great one!

[J-Mezzy]

I don't know how tne BCS would handle this. Texas is 5 spots ahead of T Tech. Neither Texas or T Tech have any impressive games left. If okl state beays the Sooners, it is bo longer a 3 way tie. It would be Texas vs T Tech and T Tech wins since they beat the longhorns. Then T Tech will go for the Big 12 championship.

If they are the big 12 champs and beat Texas head to head, they should be ahead of Texas. But how would the BCS explain a 5 spot jump?

The other option is to send USC, but they also didn't win their conference....and would have no legitimate case to pass Texas since neither have a tough game left.

ay ay ay. BCS sucks. Send USC vs Fl and make evryone happy. Wouldn't make it fair though

[LAKESHOW]

the problem is, in that scenario, tech would not go to the big12 championship game, texas would. it revolved around the BCS ranking. so despite oklahoma losing(for example), the higher BCS ranked team (texas) would go to the big12 title game against missouri.

secondly, the pac-10, since they play each and every team has co-champions. however, the rosebowl goes to the tiebreaker, oregon state. so USC is and would be a conference champion. that however, cannot be said about the big12. missouri could possibly be the conference champion.

but here is another possible scenario, the highest ranked team that plays in a rivalry game is oklahoma state. they could very very well upset oklahoma in a rivalry game. especially with oklahoma coming off a big time game at home vs. tech. oklahoma state is also at home. texas would go to the championship game vs. a common opponent, missouri. defeating missouri is easy. but defeating any team TWICE in one year, is very difficult to do. tons of factors play into that 2nd game. so oklahoma could lose a rivalry game on the road. texas could lose in a championship game to a common opponent. missouri would then be the big12 champion. and they would send texas tech would jump right back over USC again for the title game. that sucks.

[J-Mezzy]

the problem is, in that scenario, tech would not go to the big12 championship game, texas would. it revolved around the BCS ranking. so despite oklahoma losing(for example), the higher BCS ranked team (texas) would go to the big12 title game against missouri.

I don't know Lake. The BCS was going to determine the winner in case of a 3 way tie. But if the Sooners lose, it will be a 2 way tie and the tie breaker will be the head to head match up, thus Tech would win. Maybe I am wrong.

Either way, it is in USC's best interest that the cowboys beat the Sooners this week. It would give them a legit shot at the title

[El Turco]

yep, when it s a two way tie than head to head decides it. it would suck to have Tech in the title game, they are definitely the least deserving of the trio.

[J-Mezzy]

yep, when it s a two way tie than head to head decides it. it would suck to have Tech in the title game, they are definitely the least deserving of the trio.

I know, but how would the BCS explain a 5 or 6 spot jump for Tech? They have no impressive opponents left. I don't think the BCS will say, "well, Texas can't go since they didn't win their conference, let's somehow put Tech 5 spots higher than last week since WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BIG 12 CHAMP IN THE NC GAME".

There is no logical way to resolve this. If Okla State wins this weekned, then it leaves the door open for some serious chaos. USC and even Penn State might make a case that they deserve to be in it.


Knowing the love the media has for USC, my bet is that if Tech wins the Big 12, USC will be playing in the NC game. That is my guess. I could be wrong since you never know what the BCS idiots are going to do

[LAKESHOW]

the BCS is tied into the big12 books. in other words, the big12 south division will send the team to the big12 championship game, THAT HAS THE HIGHER STANDING IN THE BCS! 2 way tie, 3 way tie, 4 way tie doesnt matter. whoever has the higher standing in the BCS, goes to the big12 championship game. see, USC is playing behind a stacked deck having previous 3 of the same division teams ahead of us. now some folks are understanding what LAKESHOW is talkin about. we barely cracked the top 5 when we shouldve been ahead of them all along. but the way it came out, we were behind the 8ball from the beginning.

[J-Mezzy]

I don't think Lake is right, but if he is, then Texas is a sure thing for the National Championship unless they lay an egg vs Mizz.

If this situation doesn't lead to a playoffs system, who knows what will.

This is how I think the top 8 will end up:

1. Texas
2. Fl
3. Oklahoma
4. USC
5. Alabama
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State.

Imagine: Texas vs Penn, Fl vs T Tech, Utah vs Okla, Alabama vs USC.

That would be nice. Too bad, can't happen

[El Turco]

the BCS is tied into the big12 books. in other words, the big12 south division will send the team to the big12 championship game, THAT HAS THE HIGHER STANDING IN THE BCS! 2 way tie, 3 way tie, 4 way tie doesnt matter. whoever has the higher standing in the BCS, goes to the big12 championship game. see, USC is playing behind a stacked deck having previous 3 of the same division teams ahead of us. now some folks are understanding what LAKESHOW is talkin about. we barely cracked the top 5 when we shouldve been ahead of them all along. but the way it came out, we were behind the 8ball from the beginning.

nope, LAKESHOWW is wrong. only reason BCS came into play was because it is a 3 way tie and the teams have the same record versus each other. once the conference title is up to 2 teams, only thing that matters is head to head since h2h is the first tiebreaker while BCS standings is the 5th tiebreaker.

[El Turco]

yep, when it s a two way tie than head to head decides it. it would suck to have Tech in the title game, they are definitely the least deserving of the trio.

I know, but how would the BCS explain a 5 or 6 spot jump for Tech? They have no impressive opponents left. I don't think the BCS will say, "well, Texas can't go since they didn't win their conference, let's somehow put Tech 5 spots higher than last week since WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BIG 12 CHAMP IN THE NC GAME".

There is no logical way to resolve this. If Okla State wins this weekned, then it leaves the door open for some serious chaos. USC and even Penn State might make a case that they deserve to be in it.


Knowing the love the media has for USC, my bet is that if Tech wins the Big 12, USC will be playing in the NC game. That is my guess. I could be wrong since you never know what the BCS idiots are going to do

it is possible but if Tech beats Missouri that would be a better quality win than USC s any win since the 2nd week of the season. at that point, Tech would have the best win between the two, lost to a better team and would have the best late win. it would be no brainer to put Tech over USC.

as for other 4 teams, you cant put Alabama over Tech since intra-conference national title game is not gonna happen. you cant put Texas over Tech since they lost head to head and placed worse than Tech in the conference. PSU, well, i dont think anybody wants a Big 10 team playing against SEC team this time around, plus, Tech has a far better resume. imo, Utah would be the one getting shafted at that scenario but, BCS wont insert a non-BCS team in the title game when there are so many dominant teams around.

[GSWbandwagon]

the bcs rankings are irrelevant in a 2 team tie where there was a h2h game. tt wins a 2 way tie with tx.

tt would have an impressive win, against mizzou in the title game. beating the #12 team on a neutral field is impressive.

the other interesting scenario is if fla gets caught looking ahead to the sec title game and loses to fsu and then beats bama. bama would be the highest ranked sec team at that point but would not have won their conference. if that happens and mizzou wins the big12 title game, the two conferences seen as far and away the strongest this year would have 2 loss champions but would each have one or two teams with 1 loss. usc would have 1 loss but not be the real pac10 champion if osu wins the civil war. would the title game then be 3rd place big12 vs 2nd place sec? would the 2nd place pac10 team slip in there? would the mwc champs, the lone undefeated near the top of the polls, get a shot? would the voters fall back into old habits and award notre dame an undeserved major bowl?

[J-Mezzy]

yep, when it s a two way tie than head to head decides it. it would suck to have Tech in the title game, they are definitely the least deserving of the trio.

I know, but how would the BCS explain a 5 or 6 spot jump for Tech? They have no impressive opponents left. I don't think the BCS will say, "well, Texas can't go since they didn't win their conference, let's somehow put Tech 5 spots higher than last week since WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BIG 12 CHAMP IN THE NC GAME".

There is no logical way to resolve this. If Okla State wins this weekned, then it leaves the door open for some serious chaos. USC and even Penn State might make a case that they deserve to be in it.


Knowing the love the media has for USC, my bet is that if Tech wins the Big 12, USC will be playing in the NC game. That is my guess. I could be wrong since you never know what the BCS idiots are going to do

it is possible but if Tech beats Missouri that would be a better quality win than USC s any win since the 2nd week of the season. at that point, Tech would have the best win between the two, lost to a better team and would have the best late win. it would be no brainer to put Tech over USC.

as for other 4 teams, you cant put Alabama over Tech since intra-conference national title game is not gonna happen. you cant put Texas over Tech since they lost head to head and placed worse than Tech in the conference. PSU, well, i dont think anybody wants a Big 10 team playing against SEC team this time around, plus, Tech has a far better resume. imo, Utah would be the one getting shafted at that scenario but, BCS wont insert a non-BCS team in the title game when there are so many dominant teams around.

Yeah, I can see what you are saying. I think the best case scenario is for Texas to go. Tech has no business in the NC game in a neutral field.

The other question is, if Okla wins big vs Okla State, do they pass Texas in the BCS? They are only a few points behind. 2 convincing victories over 2 ranked rivals that gave Texas trouble might do it.

I hope not, I think Texas is the best out of the 3.

[J-Mezzy]

Fl State is not beating the Gators. This is a rivalry game and the Gators are in the title hunt. The Gators will show up and Fl State is not the type of team to upset Fl. South Carolina, Auburn, Ole Miss are teams that can upset Fl. Not Fl State

[GSWbandwagon]

Fl State is not beating the Gators. This is a rivalry game and the Gators are in the title hunt. The Gators will show up and Fl State is not the type of team to upset Fl. South Carolina, Auburn, Ole Miss are teams that can upset Fl. Not Fl State

where were you a couple years ago when 1 loss usc, needing a win to possibly get into the title game, lost to mediocre rival ucla? weird things happen in cfb, especially in rivalry games. i don't think fsu will win, but its not impossible.

[J-Mezzy]

Fl State is not beating the Gators. This is a rivalry game and the Gators are in the title hunt. The Gators will show up and Fl State is not the type of team to upset Fl. South Carolina, Auburn, Ole Miss are teams that can upset Fl. Not Fl State

where were you a couple years ago when 1 loss usc, needing a win to possibly get into the title game, lost to mediocre rival ucla? weird things happen in cfb, especially in rivalry games. i don't think fsu will win, but its not impossible.

Yeah, but it has become a tradition for USC to lay an egg against a Pac 10 rival every year. I don't know, I don't want to get cocky. You are right, nothing is imporrible, but it is highly unlikely.

Now if this was a mediocre Auburn team or Ole Miss, I'd be a little worried. I just don't see Fl State as the upsetting type. They are undiciplined and think they are better than they are. Plus, Urban Meyer will have the guys ready.

[LAKESHOW]

the BCS is tied into the big12 books. in other words, the big12 south division will send the team to the big12 championship game, THAT HAS THE HIGHER STANDING IN THE BCS! 2 way tie, 3 way tie, 4 way tie doesnt matter. whoever has the higher standing in the BCS, goes to the big12 championship game. see, USC is playing behind a stacked deck having previous 3 of the same division teams ahead of us. now some folks are understanding what LAKESHOW is talkin about. we barely cracked the top 5 when we shouldve been ahead of them all along. but the way it came out, we were behind the 8ball from the beginning.

nope, LAKESHOWW is wrong. only reason BCS came into play was because it is a 3 way tie and the teams have the same record versus each other. once the conference title is up to 2 teams, only thing that matters is head to head since h2h is the first tiebreaker while BCS standings is the 5th tiebreaker.

"A three-way tie would result in going to next week's BCS standings to determine who will meet Missouri in the Dec. 6 Big 12 championship game in Kansas City."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/ncfnation/0- ... attle.html

[El Turco]

i dont know what you are trying to say here. article clearly states three way tie, we are talking about hypothetical 2 way tie where head to head overcomes any BCS bullsh*t. once again, LAKESHOW is wrong.

[LAKESHOW]

it would be no brainer to put Tech over USC.

exactly my point. now your buying into it and i'll show your flaw.

5. USC

7. texas tech

what you are saying is that a #7 team should jump ALL THE WAY TO #2. up and over everyone else to the title game.

hopefully holding up the mirror to that argument would be able to assist you in the error of your thinking.