Amare/ESPN: "I want to be the featured guy"

eastsidecrossover · Post #21 » by **eastsidecrossover** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:28 pm

Great take scootfu6022
You know, I hate this kind of stuff, from both sides. I hate when players come out and talk about this crap with the media, but I also hate the stupid takes from some of the posters.

Fact is, Amare should be the focal point of this offense. Yes, he is getting touches, but porter is wrong. He is not getting the ball in the right spots. Fact is, when amare’s game has been critized, he has always gone and worked his as* off to get better at it. Defense is a different animal. You have to have knack for it, or it takes a long time to develop the tools you need. Amare did not go to college and learn this. In HS, he was just so damn big and athletic, no reason to teach him. MD could care less about D. Give him time. This whole team looks bad defensively.

The front office. Since Sarver has bought this team, there has been some stupid moves. I know a lot of people love the Colangilos. They were good but never got us to win a championship. However, there has been stupid moves with GM’s and management on both sides. I think they will do the same with the Amare situation.

My feeling is not to move him at any cost. IMO, if you do, you bring in a huge need for this team. I think if Shaq is the guy down low, then Diaw is a good person to start at the PF position for us. Wallace would be great, but I think you have to move Amare to a east cost team that is horrible. A team we can get their first pick and land a top 5 pick in this draft.

Last is, just shut up and play ball Amare. Play smart ball. Porter, lets see some better coaching out of you. Kerr and Sarver, go back to Tucson

SFnymHOUphxNJ · Post #22 » by **SFnymHOUphxNJ** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:00 am

Amare is right with what he is saying, but he should not have gone to the media about it. He has one of the most complete offensive games out of all the big men in the NBA, and he is the future of this franchise... unless Porter keeps using him the way he has. Amare is one of the best finishers in the league around the basket, last year I believe he led the league in and 1's. He also can get to the line more then just about anyone in the league. Wade may be the only one better. However, with the way Porter has been running this offense Amare has been relegated to pretty much just shooting 18 footers the whole night. Obviously over his career he has expanded his game to the point where he is almost automatic on mid range jumpers, but that does not mean that is all he should be doing. He needs to go to the basket too. Amare should be the focal point of the offense and Shaq should have to adjust to letting Amare play his game, not the other way around.

scootfu602 · Post #23 » by **scootfu602** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:30 am

Thanks eastside....My whole thing is, let's see how this thing plays out. We are barely a month into the season and were talking about trading our franchise, all star all nba, player. In my experience AZ fans want to blow it up too quickly, thinking that will bring instant results. Look at it this way. If we trade Amar'e now, we are admitting to re-tooling and have ZERO chance at the trophy this year.

NashtyNas · Post #24 » by **NashtyNas** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:36 am

I love this bull sh*t. When he had that 49 PT game, every single one of you was all over his balls to become an MVP. Now, he hasn't played well for the last few games, and all you can say is "better improve his D & attitude, or we don't need him back in 2010." Well guess what, you'll regret that when he actually decides to leave. Amar'e is the best power forward in this league right now, atleast offensively, and he's heading into his prime. If we let him walk in 2010, this team is dead for another 20 years. Amar'e's stat line in no way reflects his abilities, and if we are going to blame anyone for what's happening, its GOT to be Porter. His system is not working right now, especially the POUND IT INTO SHAQ play. I hate it when we just walk the ball up court, give it to shaq, and MAKE him shoot it. I love shaq, he's probably the most entertaining guy off the court for us, but, in no way does he deserve as many, or more shots, than Stoudemire. STAT is the present and the future of this franchise, and if we continue to make our top players unhappy, we won't go anywhere. Remember Joe Johnson? Repeat in 2010 I suppose..

scootfu602 · Post #25 » by **scootfu602** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:42 am

sd1306 wrote:I love this bull sh*t. When he had that 49 PT game, every single one of you was all over his balls to become an MVP. Now, he hasn't played well for the last few games, and all you can say is "better improve his D & attitude, or we don't need him back in 2010." Well guess what, you'll regret that when he actually decides to leave. Amar'e is the best power forward in this league right now, atleast offensively, and he's heading into his prime. If we let him walk in 2010, this team is dead for another 20 years. Amar'e's stat line in no way reflects his abilities, and if we are going to blame anyone for what's happening, its GOT to be Porter. His system is not working right now, especially the POUND IT INTO SHAQ play. I hate it when we just walk the ball up court, give it to shaq, and MAKE him shoot it. I love shaq, he's probably the most entertaining guy off the court for us, but, in no way does he deserve as many, or more shots, than Stoudemire. STAT is the present and the future of this franchise, and if we continue to make our top players unhappy, we won't go anywhere. Remember Joe Johnson? Repeat in 2010 I suppose..

Exactly...well put and Nuff said

Natural11 · Post #26 » by **Natural11** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 2:43 am

I don't normally condone ego stroking, but I agree with him here. Defining your offense around a fat, declining center who just won't be there to dominate the play-offs seems so pointless to me. Then again, if Amare is the next big thing like he thinks he is, he should be able to dominate in any system. Chris Bosh has the worst coach in the NBA and thus a team with basically no offensive system, yet he's managing to put up MVP-like numbers. Can Amare do the same without Nash spoon-feeding him? Marion couldn't.

BurningHeart · Post #27 » by **BurningHeart** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:01 am

Natural11 wrote:I don't normally condone ego stroking, but I agree with him here. Defining your offense around a fat, declining center who just won't be there to dominate the play-offs seems so pointless to me. Then again, if Amare is the next big thing like he thinks he is, he should be able to dominate in any system. Chris Bosh has the worst coach in the NBA and thus a team with basically no offensive system, yet he's managing to put up MVP-like numbers. Can Amare do the same without Nash spoon-feeding him? Marion couldn't.

Marion was a star WELL before Nash came back to Phoenix.

scootfu602 · Post #28 » by **scootfu602** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:05 am

BurningHeart wrote:
Natural11 wrote:I don't normally condone ego stroking, but I agree with him here. Defining your offense around a fat, declining center who just won't be there to dominate the play-offs seems so pointless to me. Then again, if Amare is the next big thing like he thinks he is, he should be able to dominate in any system. Chris Bosh has the worst coach in the NBA and thus a team with basically no offensive system, yet he's managing to put up MVP-like numbers. Can Amare do the same without Nash spoon-feeding him? Marion couldn't.

Marion was a star WELL before Nash came back to Phoenix.

I love "Matrix" too, but he is proving that without a point guard like Nash he is basically average. I think that his numbers are even less than Shaq's this year...though, shaq is having an offense ran through him, which is ridiculous BTW

cavsfan_osiris · Post #29 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:10 am

It's real simple to me. Shaq shouldn't be starting, he should be backing up Amare.

Post #30 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:01 am

sd1306 wrote:I love this bull sh*t. When he had that 49 PT game, every single one of you was all over his balls to become an MVP. Now, he hasn't played well for the last few games, and all you can say is "better improve his D & attitude, or we don't need him back in 2010." Well guess what, you'll regret that when he actually decides to leave. Amar'e is the best power forward in this league right now, atleast offensively, and he's heading into his prime. If we let him walk in 2010, this team is dead for another 20 years. Amar'e's stat line in no way reflects his abilities, and if we are going to blame anyone for what's happening, its GOT to be Porter. His system is not working right now, especially the POUND IT INTO SHAQ play. I hate it when we just walk the ball up court, give it to shaq, and MAKE him shoot it. I love shaq, he's probably the most entertaining guy off the court for us, but, in no way does he deserve as many, or more shots, than Stoudemire. STAT is the present and the future of this franchise, and if we continue to make our top players unhappy, we won't go anywhere. Remember Joe Johnson? Repeat in 2010 I suppose..

lol, best PF in the league? Please, don't be a freaking homer.

The Diesel · Post #31 » by **The Diesel** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:12 am

I completely understand Amare's frustration. He's not being used properly by Porter.

Frank Lee · Post #32 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:28 pm

He sure got USED properly by Haslim + co last night. This prima-donna-b-Superstar-wanna-b needs to STFUp and play ball. He may have a legit gripe the way he has been de-optioned on offense, but as many point out, his mediocre defensive play, along with his drag-ass attitude do not do anything but compound the problems.

He may be taking a page from SwannieShawnie's book ... public grumbling = certain departure.

Post #33 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:29 pm

Not being used properly on offense shouldn't translate to not giving a crap in every other facet of the game.

scootfu602 · Post #34 » by **scootfu602** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:08 pm

In any job, when your strengths are not being utilized properly it doesn't exactly make a person want to go out and over perform for the boss. To get the most out of a person you need to motivate them, it is obsurd to expect him to self motivate when he isn't even being used correctly.

Post #35 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:42 pm

scootfu602 wrote:In any job, when your strengths are not being utilized properly it doesn't exactly make a person want to go out and over perform for the boss. To get the most out of a person you need to motivate them, it is obsurd to expect him to self motivate when he isn't even being used correctly.

I'd think 15 million dollars is enough motivation...

scootfu602 · Post #36 » by **scootfu602** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:54 pm

rsavaj wrote:
scootfu602 wrote:In any job, when your strengths are not being utilized properly it doesn't exactly make a person want to go out and over perform for the boss. To get the most out of a person you need to motivate them, it is obsurd to expect him to self motivate when he isn't even being used correctly.

I'd think 15 million dollars is enough motivation...

sounds like Terrell Owens former PR person

Post #37 » by **Miklo** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:25 pm

If Amare and Nash continue to get disenchanted with our system, we are dead in the water for another 3 years immediately due to a downshift into rebuilding mode (although at this point its hardly a downshift). Is this an organization that is capable of winning? Do they even care? I have been a Suns fan all my life, and I know that I could never be a true fan of another team, but what have I gotten out of this relationship? I don't even enjoy following the Suns that much these days. They always get close, there's always that light at the end of the tunnel, and then its extinguished. I will gladly follow a losing organization, but I just wish it was one that made the right moves to get out of that hole.

JohnVancouver · Post #38 » by **JohnVancouver** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:26 pm

HootieRules wrote:The guy averages 20+ points a game, shoots near 60% and is a really good free throw shooter for his position. He's improved every year (both offensively and defensively), works hard at his game, overcame a horrendous knee injury and above all else he's just damn fun to watch play basketball. He's a special player and even if he remains a below average defender for the rest of his career he may still win an MVP or two. He has said time and time again his main goal is to win a championship. He's honest with the media and says he can be the focal point of a team that wins a championship and some of our fans not only throw him under the bus for this but make comments like they don't really care if he leaves in 2010. Some of you need to pull your head out of the gutter.

+1

It ain't good, but i can understand the level of frustration on the team right now and I think that's behind the public comments by both Amare and Bell. What worries me is that if we're hearing this stuff, how bad is what we aren't hearing. I would think the atmosphere is pretty poisonous at the moment, after the Miami loss.

The Diesel · Post #39 » by **The Diesel** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:49 am

Dragic also complained a few days ago about his lack of playing time.

This team has no respect for Porter; I mean, FOUR PLAYERS are already complaining publicly.

At the same time, I can't blame them for not being happy under Porter.

He's completely ruined this team.

Frank Lee · Post #40 » by **Frank Lee** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:23 pm

comment moved to the Terry Porter thread....