Mehmet Okur

miamiballer · Post #1 » by **miamiballer** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:56 pm

Hey guys,

Heat fan here...I just had a question regarding okur...how much do you think utah plans to give him this offseason, i could see miami having interest for like 10 mil/yr...just curious so dont flame and happy thankgiving!

fivas14 · Post #2 » by **fivas14** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:15 pm

10 million a year for Memo? You can have him.

miamiballer · Post #3 » by **miamiballer** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:30 pm

really? i thought memo was the backbone for your team..you guys have been doing great the past few years and memo seems to be a great team guy...do you think hed leave for say 8 or 9 mil?

Denizfeital · Post #4 » by **Denizfeital** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:24 pm

I think he will leave The Jazz only if The Jazz cant afford him.

He's not the backbone of our team, but he's by far the best center we have in years, a clutch center who you can delivery the ball not worring about what he's gonna do. I d say 9 in 10 Jazz fans really enjoy having him on the team. He's a fan favorite for sure.

I think for 10 millions will be hard to keep him. I hope we can settle an agreement before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Regards,

schneiderjazz · Post #5 » by **schneiderjazz** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:32 pm

IMO, Memo is worth 10 million and if we could keep him and the other FA without going into luxury tax territory, I'm pretty sure the Jazz would pay him 10 million or even a little bit more.
Great shooting, good rebounding, clutch as hell and OK on defense. Jazz are going to re-sign Boozer unless he really wants to leave. If it comes down to choosing between Memo and AK, I think I'd rather keep AK. Since the Heat desperately need a C, I think if you guys offer 10 million, Jazz will probably let you have him.

jazzfanak47 · Post #6 » by **jazzfanak47** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:36 pm

he allready makes 9mil. per its not like memo gets paid in food stamps his contract was 5years with a player option for 6 for over 50 million

ColdBlue · Post #7 » by **ColdBlue** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:43 pm

jazzfanak47 wrote:he allready makes 9mil. per its not like memo gets paid in food stamps his contract was 5years with a player option for 6 for over 50 million

Heh... that is what I'm thinking. How can you guys be scoffing at 10 million? Memo will get a significantly larger offer than that from someone in this league.

tankster · Post #8 » by **tankster** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:59 pm

jazzfanak47 wrote:he allready makes 9mil. per its not like memo gets paid in food stamps his contract was 5years with a player option for 6 for over 50 million

Clarification: Memo's contract calls for an "Early Termination Option," not a Player Option. Subtle differences in the way they're handled.

carrottop12 · Post #9 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:50 pm

8-10 is probably what he will get. But I think he likes Utah and he's never seemed like a money hungry kind of guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he stuck around for a little less.

BarneyGumble · Post #10 » by **BarneyGumble** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:42 am

I think Okur should make exactly what he makes now, adjusted for the amount of years he's been in the league.

The real question here is Koufos. If he turns out to be decent defensively, then I believe Boozer becomes expendable because of Millsap's dominance. Frankly, I wouldnt mind losing Boozer. Dont want to lose Okur though.

tankster · Post #11 » by **tankster** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:40 am

Batronuj wrote:8-10 is probably what he will get. But I think he likes Utah and he's never seemed like a money hungry kind of guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he stuck around for a little less.

Bat, I like most of your stuff but you may want to retrench on this one. Detroit found themselves in the same predicament when it came time to sign Memo that the Cavs did with Boozer. They were cap straped and couldn't offer him enough money. The Jazz hit him with 6yrs @ 50mil and he took it. I don't know if that's money hungry, but Okur sure followed the dollar signs to Salt Lake when he could have signed for less in Detroit.........Just sayin.....

@ndrew · Post #12 » by **@ndrew** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:30 am

His role was a lil bit different in Detroit. It's really hard to compare his status here and in Detroit.

Seralin · Post #13 » by **Seralin** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:14 am

tankster wrote:The Jazz hit him with 6yrs @ 50mil and he took it. I don't know if that's money hungry, but Okur sure followed the dollar signs to Salt Lake when he could have signed for less in Detroit.........Just sayin.....

Jazz gave him an opportunity to start, considering the players they had at the time (even though it didn't happen immediately). It wasn't like he will be guaranteed to be overshadowed by Wallace and Wallace. Anyways.

Time is different. Before many things were in play, settling in comfortable place was one of those. And, right now, he is at that place. Even if he would be offered higher money from elsewhere, I believe he would think over and over again before making a decision. Unlike before, this time, it won't be easy. And, there is no guarantee he will be able to play in a better team and better conditions either. At least, the Jazz fans are okay with him, with his goods and bads. Elsewhere, his bads will shine more than his goods.

freakazoid · Post #14 » by **freakazoid** » Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:27 am

tankster wrote:
Batronuj wrote:8-10 is probably what he will get. But I think he likes Utah and he's never seemed like a money hungry kind of guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he stuck around for a little less.

Bat, I like most of your stuff but you may want to retrench on this one. Detroit found themselves in the same predicament when it came time to sign Memo that the Cavs did with Boozer. They were cap straped and couldn't offer him enough money. The Jazz hit him with 6yrs @ 50mil and he took it. I don't know if that's money hungry, but Okur sure followed the dollar signs to Salt Lake when he could have signed for less in Detroit.........Just sayin.....

Umm Tank, not sure why you avoid jazzfanz, but i think yer example sucks.

Detroit had a fair chance to keep memo, but decided that sheed was the apple of their eye.

NOT THE SAME with Booze. Cleveland let Booze go early thinking he would bone himself by signing for less than 1/2 his true value.

SouthJersey · Post #15 » by **SouthJersey** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 3:25 am

Do you think that the Jazz would have interest in getting Sam Dalembert for him?

carrottop12 · Post #16 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 4:55 am

tankster wrote:
Batronuj wrote:8-10 is probably what he will get. But I think he likes Utah and he's never seemed like a money hungry kind of guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he stuck around for a little less.

Bat, I like most of your stuff but you may want to retrench on this one. Detroit found themselves in the same predicament when it came time to sign Memo that the Cavs did with Boozer. They were cap straped and couldn't offer him enough money. The Jazz hit him with 6yrs @ 50mil and he took it. I don't know if that's money hungry, but Okur sure followed the dollar signs to Salt Lake when he could have signed for less in Detroit.........Just sayin.....

Yeah, for Detriot, he was a back up Center and had made a career total of 2.2 million dollars. Now he is 50 million dollars richer, made an all-star team, from all acounts likes Salt Lake City and his teammates, wants to play for a contender.

This is a completely different ball game.

Ming Kong! · Post #17 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 5:04 pm

I think the Jazz should tell Okur, ok you made 8.5 in 2008-09, and your player option is 9M for 2009-10, lets make a deal, forget the player option, we're ready to offer a 5 year contract starting at $10M and increasing 10% each year:

2009-10: $10,000,000
2010-11: $11,000,000
2011-12: $12,100,000
2012-13: $13,310,000
2013-14: $14,641,000

He'll be 34 by the end of this contract, he'll probably start his decline by then, and we secure a borderline All-Star center for the next 5yrs. A long deal for Okur works because he'll think we'll I got get a 3yr deal for like 12 or 13 a yr, but who knows if I can get good money afterwards, this way I'll average 12.2 million a year for 5 years. Keep in mind that the cap will go up about a million a year, so in reality we'll have about the same cap space remaining for others.

Also in 2011 AK will be a free agent, and we could definitely resign him for about half the $17,822,187 he's due to make in 2010-11, and he'll be just 29 at the end of his contract, I'd probably sign him for a 3yr $27M deal, $9M per year.

2011-12 season could look like this:

Williams: $16,647,180
Okur: $12,100,000
Kirilenko: $9,000,000
Miles: $3,700,000 (lol we made out like bandits)
Koufos: $2,203,792
2009 First Rounder: $1,030,600 (projected around 25th pick)
2010 First Rounder: $2,005,200 (via Knicks, maybe 10th pick, hopefully higher :-D

)
2011 First Rounder: $954,000 (projected around 25th pick)

$47,640,772

That's 8 players, and we'll probably resign Millsap, and he might make about $9-10M in that year, maybe resigning price for about $4-5M a year, and Brewer will definitely ask for like $7M/yr and that 11 guys for about $68,000,000, plus 3 other guys, we're easily looking at $71,000,000, and that's not including Boozer, who I think would be too expensive to retain, especially while AK is making his big bucks, and Harpring and Korver combine for about $11M in the mean time, and so on.

The Sheik · Post #18 » by **The Sheik** » Tue Dec 2, 2008 11:55 pm

I would keep Memo if he signed a two yr extension worth 16-20 mil. Im not interested in him for 4-5 yrs.

erudite23 · Post #19 » by **erudite23** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 7:27 pm

Anyone who wants to give Memo more than 10m per and/or more than 3 yrs is out of their ever-loving minds. If anything, Koufos is the perfect player to take Memo's place in our lineup. Best case scenario would involve Memo passing up his ETO and playing next year for the 9m owed him, followed by him leaving in FA and Koufos--with two years of experience under his belt--stepping in to take his place. That would be sweeeet.

Memo is a nice player, but he isn't a must-have type of guy. I would have thought that this little stretch without Booz, in which our offense has struggled mightily, would have convinced more people of his worth. Go figure.

outerspacefella · Post #20 » by **outerspacefella** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 9:02 pm

I don't find it's fair to go into Okur's value issue right now. When healthy the guy's been clutch and won many games for us. IMHO it's just not fair to analyze him at this very moment, while his mind can't (and shouldn't) be 100% in his game.