Dallas is looking at 2010...

[JES12]

Up until now, I have merely been speculating based off Dallas' behavior....

1) 2 year or less signings of of Wright, Barea, George, Green, Singleton
2) A trade of Stack for players on Crwaford's level have not been made...I suspect the only 3 year deals that would be done would be for offers that blow our hats off.
3) Not trading Howard's 2010 flexable contract as explained here.
4) Not trading Dampier's unguaranteed contract.
5) Lack of a Kidd extension

Now Stein reports:

Sources say Dallas has been rejecting all Kidd inquiries because it would prefer to A) put off any drastic alterations until after giving this group an entire season with its new coach and B) definitely play out the season without taking back any salary that extends past the 2009-10 season and into the free-agent bonanza that will follow

Which brings up a few questions....
1) Why did they sign Diop to a 5 year deal that did not have an unguaranteed year in the middle like Buckner's.
2) What are they going to do with Bass?
3) Green? I don't think he will be a Mav next year unless he signs very cheap...like our bi-annual exception.
4) Are they looking to trade Terry?


Who knows. I only made this thread because I finally see something that implys the direction of our front office...which coincides with what I have been saying for a long while now. What are your thoughts?

[Blowitupalready]

[quote="JES12"]

Which brings up a few questions....
1) Why did they sign Diop to a 5 year deal that did not have an unguaranteed year in the middle like Buckner's.
2) What are they going to do with Bass?
3) Green? I don't think he will be a Mav next year unless he signs very cheap...like our bi-annual exception.
4) Are they looking to trade Terry?


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1. Diop got what the market would bare. His contract won't be so bad if the Mavs can surround him with the offensive talent he needs. I think he and Bosh would match up nice in the frontcourt.
2. Bass is a wildcard. He may be traded, signed, or allowed to sign elsewhere. Mavs will not even give him the mid level in 09' with 10' looming.
3. Green was not in demand this summer and is still not. He will have to be dynamite for a team to try to overpay for him this summer. but first, he would have to get minutes.
4. Not yet, but JET has to go. I say when the Mavs are still floundering at the All Star break, the Mavs send him packing to a contender. This MUST happen.

5. Here is the big question. Does Dirk opt out and take less here so we can sign a player or two to make the Mavs contenders again?

[dirkforpres]

2010 is gonna be hard for Dallas, seeing as how New York has so much more money than us by that time... I think our best bet is to just forget about 2010. Im with Charles Barkley on that topic

[realfung]

Dallas cannot sign superstars in 2010 but they can sign some 2nd level stars like Billups, Redd etc.

[DDansby123]

I think common sense would say that the Mavs really only have two good options for a rebuild: (a) right now, so they can still get a lottery pick in the 2009 draft), or (b) wait until the 2010 offseason, so they can shed a ton of salary and start over with a lottery pick in 2011. The quoted article pretty much confirms, as we've suspected, that the Mavs aren't going to do anything major barring a complete and total meltdown. That won't stop me from hoping, though.

Which brings up a few questions....
1) Why did they sign Diop to a 5 year deal that did not have an unguaranteed year in the middle like Buckner's.
2) What are they going to do with Bass?
3) Green? I don't think he will be a Mav next year unless he signs very cheap...like our bi-annual exception.
4) Are they looking to trade Terry?

(1) IMO, they bought into the hype that losing Diop was a major blow to the team's defense last season....that he was a defensive stalwart anchoring the middle of our defense. But I still think Diop could be part of a rebuild, though I hate paying that much for a backup C.

(2) Bass should be a trade chip, though I doubt that will happen.

(3) It depends on where he lands in the rotation. If Carlisle chooses Wright over Green, or if we can upgrade at SG, Green's gone for a second-rounder or in FA.

(4) I don't think they're trading JET. He's playing extremely well right now, and I think FO still hopes he can play similarly in the playoffs, despite being streaky enough to shoot us out of the playoffs as well.


I'm going to agree with Marc Stein that the Mavs are trying to build a champion around Dirk, Josh, Kidd, and JET. Anybody else is probably on the block for an upgrade next to those guys.

[JES12]

2010 is gonna be hard for Dallas, seeing as how New York has so much more money than us by that time... I think our best bet is to just forget about 2010. Im with Charles Barkley on that topic

We can sign a max player and with Cuban's marketing ability, it would not surprise me if a major one lands here.

Dallas only has 2 guaranteed contracts 2010

$9,873,000...........Jet
$6,478,600...........Diop
$16,351,600.........Total

If Dirk elects not to opt out, then we would have $37,865,124 (Salary cap will be hovering over $60 mil and a max contract of a player near Lebron's experience is 17 mil.

If we choose to keep Howard.....$49.7 mil....I will definatly waive Howard to get Lebron. And besides, I'm sure Dirk would settle for less to keep Howard and get a max type player......OR 2 #2 type guys.

Or we can even trade Dirk, then sign Dallas' own Bosh and Lebron who stated he would like top play for Cuban. Hell, we can even trade Terry and Howard if wwe need to.

I would definatly not limit our posibilities. That all goes away if they sign Kidd to a multi-year deal and not trade him afterwards.

[JES12]

If we are still hovering around 9th place come January, I say we need to trade JET for an expiring and a pick, assuming he can keep up his 20, 4, 3 & 2 start up with his 46% FG shooting.

[Chester0]

If we are still hovering around 9th place come January, I say we need to trade JET for an expiring and a pick, assuming he can keep up his 20, 4, 3 & 2 start up with his 46% FG shooting.

in all honesty, i am going to be rooting for mediocrity from now until the deadline because of this. i think what you talk about in the thread topic shows that our front office is well aware of our situation and is looking to take steps in the right direction. but at the same time, they are the front office of an NBA basketball organization that has to put a team out for 82 games a season. as long as we have a fighting chance at at least an 8 seed, there is no way that they can, as professionals, make a trade like the one you mention here. if we are on the outside looking in come trade deadline, i have faith that we will be looking to deal JET.

essentialy, what this news gives me is the knowledge that our FO is going to make some good decisions to get this team back on track, but at the same time they can't pull the drasitc, knee-jerk moves that a lot of us on realgm would want to.

[Pointguard01]

We seriously need to get rid of Diop/Terry/Bass need to go. I dont think we should committ to Bass the way he has played this year. Knowing our FO, they will give him too much and for too long, and he's been an average backup this year. Trade him and get something more solid and less risky contract wise. Terry/Diop both have bad contracts for what we want, and both obviously have their problems with THIS team. It would be nice if we could get some really good contracts in here for those players, so then if/when we sign players in 2010, we wont have some huge holes that we need to fill.

I'd probably target Dwayne Wade first anyways. LeBron is either staying in CLE or going to NY, Bosh wouldnt fit next to Dirk, but Wade would be the perfect guy at SG for Dirk with his slashing ability.

[JES12]

I wouldn't mind giving Bass a 1 year MLE (the max we can offer with early bird right) deal to get bird rights and if he fails to live up to the contract, he would be a 2010 exiring. I also would not mind a 4 year, $14-15 mil deal starting at $3.5 mil. But if they sign him to a Diop-like contract, I will be dissapointed.

[Teffer10]

I still think the Mavs should tank the season and become aggressive in going after Bosh and D Williams over the next few years.

Trade Dirk for expirings, draft picks and youth.
Trade Howard for expiring and youth or draft pick.
Trade Terry for expiring (hopefully damp too but not likely).

I can't get excited about our wins and even though Terry has stepped up, his value is higher right now than it has ever been and ever will be.

Williams, Bosh and our lotto pick next season, along with Green, Bass, Wright, Williams, Singleton and whatever/whoever we get from trading Dirk, would provide a nice future for this team.
Bosh and Williams are only a few months apart in age (24).
Hell, I'd be happy with just one of those 2.

[JES12]

D Williams is not a free agent in 2010. He, and Bynum, have agreed to extensions. I'm aftraid theier is not too many good young PGs available. We could always aim for a risky one like Conley, but that is too much of a risk for Howard and Dirk (as if they are in Memphis' age range anyways).

[Teffer10]

Doesn't Bosh have a player option in 2010?

If we dump Dirk, Terry, Kidd, Stack, Howard and Damp before 2010, that would clear nearly 80mil which would put us in a position to sign both Williams and Bosh.
The reason I would do the trades now is to get the support pieces in place to help attract them.
A high lotto pick next season (possibly 2 by trading Dirk) and any youth along with our current youngsters getting experience would help our cause at getting those 2.

I'm afraid that Cuban is going to wait too long and we will be a complete mess after we clear cap space which will make this a very unattractive place to play.

[Teffer10]

Doesn't Bosh have a player option in 2010?

If we dump Dirk, Terry, Kidd, Stack, Howard and Damp before 2010, that would clear nearly 80mil which would put us in a position to sign both Williams and Bosh.
The reason I would do the trades now is to get the support pieces in place to help attract them.
A high lotto pick next season (possibly 2 by trading Dirk) and any youth along with our current youngsters getting experience would help our cause at getting those 2.

I'm afraid that Cuban is going to wait too long and we will be a complete mess after we clear cap space which will make this a very unattractive place to play.

Okay...I read your response wrong. I thought you said he wouldn't be a FA until 2010.
But still, there should be some other decent ones out there.
How long is William's extension?

[JES12]

The only players in question 2010 are:

Dirk Nowitzki....ETO
Josh Howard....Team Option
Jason Terry......we need to trade
Desegana Diop..Trade? He is only 6 mil that year, but if we are keeping Howard & Dirk, then he needs to go.

Had some sucess on the trade forum of Terry + Diop for Dalembert + Green which does not save any money 2010, but gives more attractive pieces for FA to build around (i.e. if we waive Howard, we can have Dalembert-Nowitzki-James(max)-Green with about 5 mil left over for a PG. Or if Dirk will agree to lower his ETO to about 16 mil to make room for Lebron, we don't need to waive Howard.

Another sucessful trade was Miller straight up for Terry which saves more money, but leaves us with unattractive pieces.

If we take your route and trade Kidd for a high pick and some 2 year deal, Dirk you youth + picks (like DDansby's Thornton + Kaman), Howard for youth or picks, we can make it much more attractive for free agents that year.

[JES12]

I am very much on the fence with this proposal, but what do you guys think:

Dallas sends: Jason Terry, DeSegana Diop
Dallas receives: Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal

Philly sends: Andre Miller
Philly receives: Jason Terry

Minny sends: Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal
Minny recieves: Andre Miller, DeSegana Diop

I would definatly do it with Collins instead of Cardinal, but I think that is what we would have to do in order for Philly and Minny not to just cut Dallas out.

With the addition of Marbury and maybe some player like Justin Williams, Nick Fazekas, we would look good this year.

2008-09
C----Dampier - <FA, Dirk> - Cardinal
PF---Nowitzki - Bass - Singleton
SF--Howard - George - Williams
SG--Miller - Wright - Green
PG--Kidd - Marbury - Barea

Summer 2010
C----none
PF---Nowitzki - Bass (maybe)
SF--Howard
SG--none
PG--none

[Realmavsman]

I am very much on the fence with this proposal, but what do you guys think:

Dallas sends: Jason Terry, DeSegana Diop
Dallas receives: Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal

Philly sends: Andre Miller
Philly receives: Jason Terry

Minny sends: Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal
Minny recieves: Andre Miller, DeSegana Diop

While I guess I like Miller slightly better than Terry because of his size. The problem is that we have weakened two positions to get slighty better at one position. Terry is not a great PG, we all know he is really a SG however he does replace Kidd at PG sometimes and now we become weaker at PG. And with Diop gone we are much weaker at C. There are many matchups where Diop is the better option over Damp. Without a replacement Center we have significantly weaked us at Center.

So I would have to pass on this trade.

[JES12]

I see a Marbury pickup as weakening only the C position. And that weakening greatly improves our ability in signing free agents.

[DDansby123]

Let me see if this is clearer (JES, I'll edit this if it's unclear/wrong)...

[$60,000,000+ ......... CAP]

$9,873,000...........Jet (guaranteed)
$6,478,600...........Diop (guaranteed)
$16,351,600.........Total [~ $44M in cap space]

[$37,865,124.........+ Dirk (opts-in) [~ $23M in cap space]
$49,700,000..........+ Josh (team option) [~ $11M in cap space]]

To me, if we're rebuilding, I have as much problem with the two non-guaranteed salaries (Dirk and Josh) as I have with the guaranteed ones (JET and Diop). I mean, $21M for a 32-year-old? And what would we pay him as a 33-year-old on a rebuilding team? What about Josh's new salary at age 31?

I think it would be wise to trade those two before the 2010 offseason. I don't know if it would change our cap situation any, but it should net us talent in return and allow us to get a higher draft pick in 2011. Beyond that, I don't think Dirk and Josh (at their ages then) will attract great young talent to Dallas. IMO, anyone we could sign in the offseason as a max/near-max FA would be just as happy with the team's ability to spend on FAs.

As for JET and Diop, I think JET needs to go while his play is still raising his trade value. I don't think it'll happen, but it needs to. If we could deal JET for a friendlier contract and acquire Marbury as a replacement, that would be beneficial in my opinion. Same for Diop (replace him with a cheaper version and ditch the contract), though Diop's young enough that he could still be solid for a rebuilding team with the right C in front of him. It's still a lot of money for him, though.

The problem with 2010 is that so many other teams are jockeying for cap space that offseason. We could have a ton of cap space and be left with the second-tier guys. That being the case, I think we'd be much more attractive with a high lottery pick with a year under his belt (that we could get in this draft) and a solid FA we could acquire this offseason....plus of course any young talent we could get from trading Dirk, Josh, or Kidd. That won't happen, but it'd be worthwhile.

[Teffer10]

I like the Miller/Cardinal deal because we don't lose much (if we sign Marbury) and are able to dump Terry and Diop's contracts for shorter ones.
We still have a somewhat competitive team but a decent outlook for 2010.

Did you post this on the Minny board?
If so, what were the reactions?

We would need to find another shotblocker though.