Game 19: Phoenix Suns @ Hornets (12/3/2008)

wdrummel · Post #81 » by **wdrummel** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:24 am

You have to be encouraged with our backup PG stepping up when Nash is sick. 16 points 13 rebounds and 17 assists??? Man what a steal!

Oh wait that was Rondo, not Dragic!

mkot · Post #82 » by **mkot** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:26 am

wdrummel wrote:You have to be encouraged with our backup PG stepping up when Nash is sick. 16 points 13 rebounds and 17 assists??? Man what a steal!

Oh wait that was Rondo, not Dragic!

PLEASE STOP BRING HIS NAME UP ARGH!!

Post #83 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:26 am

Who's Dragic?

Post #84 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:29 am

mkot wrote:This one is over.

Our feature guy had only 4 boards. A game without Shaq, 4 f**king boards. Our two small forwards, Hill with 6 boards and Barnes with 7. Boris played 12+ less minutes had the same amount of boards as him.

Scoring point isn't enough if you can only grab 4 boards and turn the ball over.

1. Fire the GM
2. Play a couple games w/o Kerr forcefeeding his crap philosophies on Porter and see what happens
3. If Porter doesn't change, fire him
4. Trade Amare Stoudemire while his trade value is still really, really high for someone who can defend and grab rebounds as well as Amare scores points, b/c his level of effort right now is embarrassing.

13-32 · Post #85 » by **13-32** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:32 am

I still kinda wish we traded LB in the off season when his value was still pretty high

We actually need to address this backup PG problem now

Tragic and Singletary are both so crappy it's not funny

wdrummel · Post #86 » by **wdrummel** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:33 am

lilfishi22 wrote:We can't get a bucket when we need it, we can't defend, we can't rebound. What has Porter done?

Too much emphasis being placed in Porter and not near enough on Amare.

Take Amare out of the lineup tonight and I can bet serious cash that New Orlean's slump in the 2nd quarter would have guaranteed us a win.

I want to see how this team plays without Stoudemire... Badly...
If he opens his mouth again give him a day on the beach to see how our team operates without it's "go to guy".

OzzyAZ · Post #87 » by **OzzyAZ** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:38 am

rsavaj wrote:1. Fire the GM
2. Play a couple games w/o Kerr forcefeeding his crap philosophies on Porter and see what happens

Uhh...I think our new owner has pretty much been the GM since he bought the team. Replacing Kerr with anyone won't help as long as we have that penny pinching weasel in charge of things.

mkot · Post #88 » by **mkot** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:44 am

13-32 wrote:I still kinda wish we traded LB in the off season when his value was still pretty high

LB played his best game this season. And say whatever you want about him not playing like a legit PG, he's still better than Dragic and Singletary and good enough for spot duty at the 1, that's what we need. I'd keep him right now. And I'm not saying for long-term strategy, but we need to start looking at him as our starting 2 guard. Raja is not a starter caliber 2 guard anymore. Unless the opposing team is playing a bigger guard who can abuse LB, I'd say start him at the 2. Even if he isn't starting, there's no reason for him to play less than 30 minutes a game while Raja get 35+. Yes I'm talking to you Porter.

Amare is embarrassing right now. Amare had more turnovers (6) than rebounds, assists, steals and blocks combined. Way to step up. Way to talk about being in the LeBron and Wade category. If this continue, Kerr will trade him by the deadline. Maybe Brand.

Post #89 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:45 am

You know why Amare apparently sucks so much now? Because our offensive system doesn't play to his strengths, which is being a fantastic finisher.

Seriously, if we got a new coach/ran like we used to, Amare's weaknesses wouldn't be hurting this team so dang much.

Still, if we're going to continue to play this way, and Amare's going to continue to pout, ship him out.

mkot · Post #90 » by **mkot** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:46 am

wdrummel wrote:
Too much emphasis being placed in Porter and not near enough on Amare.

Amare folded, and we didn''t have Nash and Shaq, but I still put this L on Porter. It's hard to fault the Suns for closing out the quarter so poorly when Porter forgets you're allowed to make substitutions in the 3rd. This is getting old, and I'm getting really really tired of bitching about his substitution patterns...

wdrummel · Post #91 » by **wdrummel** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:48 am

rsavaj wrote:You know why Amare apparently sucks so much now? Because our offensive system doesn't play to his strengths, which is being a fantastic finisher.

Seriously, if we got a new coach/ran like we used to, Amare's weaknesses wouldn't be hurting this team so dang much.

Still, if we're going to continue to play this way, and Amare's going to continue to pout, ship him out.

He was the most outspoken player to cheer at D'antoni's exit. He has no room to complain a bit that the new coach isn't clicking with him. He brought it on himself.

He needs to at least admit that he was wrong back in June...

supergallinari · Post #92 » by **supergallinari** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:49 am

brand for amare would be a fair trade.

sixers are young team and amare can be the main guy

brand miller

for

amare barbosa

something like that

Post #93 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:50 am

wdrummel wrote:
rsavaj wrote:You know why Amare apparently sucks so much now? Because our offensive system doesn't play to his strengths, which is being a fantastic finisher.

Seriously, if we got a new coach/ran like we used to, Amare's weaknesses wouldn't be hurting this team so dang much.

Still, if we're going to continue to play this way, and Amare's going to continue to pout, ship him out.

He was the most outspoken player to cheer at D'antoni's exit. He has no room to complain a bit that the new coach isn't clicking with him. He brought it on himself.

He needs to at least admit that he was wrong back in June...

ITA

wdrummel · Post #94 » by **wdrummel** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:51 am

Id do that trade in a New York Minute.

Prima Donna out, strong PF and backup PG in.

Post #95 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:51 am

supergallinari wrote:brand for amare would be a fair trade.

sixers are young team and amare can be the main guy

brand miller

for

amare barbosa

something like that

Brand's not doing too well this year, and he's not worth his contract. I'd much rather go younger as well.

mkot · Post #96 » by **mkot** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:52 am

rsavaj wrote:You know why Amare apparently sucks so much now? Because our offensive system doesn't play to his strengths, which is being a fantastic finisher.

Seriously, if we got a new coach/ran like we used to, Amare's weaknesses wouldn't be hurting this team so dang much.

Still, if we're going to continue to play this way, and Amare's going to continue to pout, ship him out.

Sorry I have to bring up MikeD again...remember how MikeD would give Amare some tough love when he's sulking or when he wasn't practicing the first year he came back from the surgery. Mike knows how to manage his players. He knows how to motivate them, the way he pumps up Shawn and the way he gives Boris and LB the confidence to succeed. Amare should take alot of blame on his bad showing, but I also blame Porter not being able to manage his player. That's like 5 games in a row that Amare had coasted, very uncharacteristic for him. We all know he takes game off here and there occasionally, but it's not like he can only gives us 1 or 2 great game a month. If the system the coach put in isn't legit, it's hard for the player to put effort into it.

Frank Lee · Post #97 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:52 am

OzzyAZ wrote:
Uhh...I think our new owner has pretty much been the GM since he bought the team. Replacing Kerr with anyone won't help as long as we have that penny pinching weasel in charge of things.

Na... Kerr as part tiny owner and fellow Tucsonian has been in RSarvers ear from day one.

You watch, the next malcontent peep Amare Standandadmire utters, his ass will be gone. Honestly, I will not question that move. I just hope his value does not drop as his defeciencies become common knowlege.

One play observation, Stat had the ball at the free throw line...slid it over to I think Barnes for a mid ranger...and as Barnes or whoever was shooting Stat had drifted backwards to the top of the key, rather than towards the hoop for a board. He is completely vacant upstairs.

Post #98 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 4:00 am

wdrummel wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:We can't get a bucket when we need it, we can't defend, we can't rebound. What has Porter done?

Too much emphasis being placed in Porter and not near enough on Amare.

Take Amare out of the lineup tonight and I can bet serious cash that New Orlean's slump in the 2nd quarter would have guaranteed us a win.

I want to see how this team plays without Stoudemire... Badly...
If he opens his mouth again give him a day on the beach to see how our team operates without it's "go to guy".

Sure, but if Porter doesn't play to the players strengths, then some players are going to regress. Amare's scoring, rebounding blocks have gone down, Nash's scoring and assists have gone down, Hill's scoring has gone down also.

Post #99 » by **rsavaj** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 7:20 am

Just realized we didn't have a single 3 game losing streak last year

Post #100 » by **tsherkin** » Thu Dec 4, 2008 11:09 am

So... disappointing. Much is wrong with the team this year, and much has been said on the topic, so I won't belabor the point.

I will say that I miss Mike D at this point. He seemed to grasp how to best manage Shaq and Amare together a lot more readily than has Porter to this point. In my mind, the philosophy of giving Shaq 10 shots a game is not a bad one, especially given all that he can achieve, but putting a ball-and-chain on the team so that it doesn't run and taking away the PnR as a prolific option were not wise moves... and the defensive improvement is actually 0.6 points per 100 possessions worse... and 6 spots lower in the league, so we haven't even realized what was to be the major improvement Porter would bring.

It's early still, and maybe Porter's just rolling things out slow (but damn, man, how slow?), but I'm beginning to question my earlier support of Porter because this is getting ridiculous.

Amare being a punk isn't helping, but I mean, if Amare isn't playing well, you bench him and make a statement. The first 30 games of the season are prime time to say "screw it, I'm taking a loss for the team and I'm telling my star to STFU and play properly." Then you talk to management and say "if this dingus doesn't start playing properly, I'm going to showcase him and you're going to trade him by the break."