TRADE IDEA

[SteveNets15]

NETS INCOMING:Travis outlaw
Channingf Frye
Raef LaFrentz

trade ID #4850405


PORTLAND INCOMING:CDR
Sean williams
Stromile Swift
Bobby simmons
GSW 1st rnder

I put Raef in there to match bobbys salary.I didn't want to put CDR in there but you gotta figure portlands gonna want some young talent back if there giving up outlaw and frye.What does everyone think about this let me hear it.

[NetsForce]

It saves a lot of money but I don't see Portland doing it... There's really no need for them trade for Simmons when they have Batum, Webster, Outlaw, and Fernandez who are all capable of playing SF at a higher level than Simmons...

[Preludepunk27]

Yeah only way they'd talk to us is if we through vince at them.

In that case I'd ask for Batum/Webster/Sergio/Raef For Vince/Sean/Ager/GSW 1st

That'd probably laugh at that, but if we ever did a trade with Portland, I'd demand either Batum/Sergio or Webster/Sergio in the package and not take anything less than that.

[vincecarter4pres]

A)Why is CDR in this deal?
B)They can keep Frye and I don't believe they need to absorb the extra salary from Swift.
C)I was actually thinking of something like this, and my reasoning was as follows.
It would only be a deadline deal, the reason would be, if they hadn't found any takers for LaFrentz' corpse for a player they wanted and there was no one that they want to target in 09 FA, they might want to pick up a 2010 expiring contract so they can try to make a move again next year.
It doesn't hold a tremendous amount of water, but it is valid.
Then again, I see PDX parting with Webster before Outlaw.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah only way they'd talk to us is if we through vince at them.

In that case I'd ask for Batum/Webster/Sergio/Raef For Vince/Sean/Ager/GSW 1st

That'd probably laugh at that, but if we ever did a trade with Portland, I'd demand either Batum/Sergio or Webster/Sergio in the package and not take anything less than that.

Actually Rod would laugh at that.
Why do you insist on butt raping us every time you suggest a VC trade?
Why are we giving up the first and the prospect along with the star?

[Preludepunk27]

Haha please like your trades are any better. Plane and simple, Portland has NOTHING to offer us other than young talent. Therefore, all trades with Portland will be EXACTLY like this, meaning we're getting Raef plus a few young studs. If they're giving up as many as 3 players with strong potential, you can bet your bottom dollar they'll want at least one in return (see: Sean). The GSW will be a meaningless late round pick or at worst two 2nd round picks. ANY trade with Portland obvsioutely makes puts us in complete rebuild mode. A weak pick like the GSW becomes dumb for us to keep, and so if it helps us acquire 3 potentially great players, Rod would not give a crap at all if they wanted that pick. Other picks, yeah I'd be hesitant, but come on get real dude.

And this isn't a butt raping. This would be a killer deal if we decided our current rebuild was going "too well" and we felt we needed to just shed Vince's deal. You're getting 2 guys are in need positions that could pan out to be all stars plus Spanish Chocolate who would be solid behind Devin. Lay off the heroin because this would be a killer deal to Rod if this is the path he wanted. If he wanted a guy who can help us now and we were set on moving Vince, then this isn't the deal for us obviously, but walk into oncoming traffic man.

[vincecarter4pres]

No, no it wouldn't.
When do studs get dealt and that team has to give up it's young players as well?

Ray Allen netted a lotto pick(6xth or 7th), a useful player with a shorter but terrible contract(well Wally was kind of useful at the time) and a young true propsect(Delonte West).

I didn't see the Sonics sending back young prospects or picks and VC is the better player than Allen, was the better player than Allen and Allen was older at the time of that trade than VC is now with the same type of "bad" contract.

Bottom line, Batum, Webster, Serg, all these guys are nice prospects, but none really have star potential anyway, so why are they getting picks and young potential back?!!!!!!

You need to lay off the crack and dust blunts.

[SteveNets15]

It saves a lot of money but I don't see Portland doing it... There's really no need for them trade for Simmons when they have Batum, Webster, Outlaw, and Fernandez who are all capable of playing SF at a higher level than Simmons...

I just threw simmons in there to get rid of him because he's pissing me off with all the wide open jumpers he bricks.I thought they might be interested in CDR and SWAT.

[Rockice_8]

The only way Portland does a deal (or us for that matter) is if we both start to fade. Then it would have to involve VC and Raef along with Batum/Webster/Outlaw two of those three guys. We would throw a filler in there and GS 1st to make it work. I don't want Frye no need for him with Anderson being here same type of player.

[mack69]

I dont see Portland letting go Outlaw for any reason. Dont get me wrong I would love to have him.

[ecuhus1981]

I don't like Outlaw enough to give up Sean Williams AND Chris Douglas-Roberts, and Portland doesn't need either of our youngsters anyway. This is a no from both sides, I think.

[gamer4Life]

How about Vince for Steve Francis?

[Preludepunk27]

How about Vince for Steve Francis?

How bout no.

[gamer4Life]

How about Vince for Steve Francis?

How bout no.

New Jersey gets an expiring contract, and can sign a free agent this summer. Portland gets a veteran to help them in the playoffs.

Not only that, but New Jersey then becomes a terrible team, and gets a high draft pick. So free agent + high lottery pick + Devin Harris + Yi + Lopez = championship in 2012.

[Preludepunk27]

It doesn't even work in the trade checker. There is no possible way you could land vince unless you gave us Tmac or unloaded like 5 guys to match salaries would would be pointless since we're maxed out of roster spots and it'd cost a pretty penny to make room for everyone. Only way we could ever move Vince to Houston would be if at least 1 more team came into the situation.

I'd say you have a 1% shot of ever landing Vince.

[gamer4Life]

Oops, was using Hoopshype.com salaries to do the trade. It still has Francis in Portland making $17M.

I guess the Nets can trade Vince for Lafrentz then.

[Preludepunk27]

Haha we don't need a salary dump right now. We need to move only a few million. Until we take on a larger salary and feel we need to move vince, Portland will never happen.

[vincecarter4pres]

Haha we don't need a salary dump right now. We need to move only a few million. Until we take on a larger salary and feel we need to move vince, Portland will never happen.

We don't even need to move anyone if the paper in Milwaukee that had the cover to the Al Harrington trade was right.
It said the salary cap will be 64 million for 2010.

I have to find the link.

[Preludepunk27]

Haha we don't need a salary dump right now. We need to move only a few million. Until we take on a larger salary and feel we need to move vince, Portland will never happen.

We don't even need to move anyone if the paper in Milwaukee that had the cover to the Al Harrington trade was right.
It said the salary cap will be 64 million for 2010.

I have to find the link.

Well that's a relief. I originally thought we'd need to buy out Najera and we'd have enough. 64 mill sounds about right for 2010 though.

Anyone feel like breaking down how they come up with the new cap figures every year. I'd assume the current economic crisis could limit it going up much higher, but common sense really isn't David Stern and his lackey's strong point.

[Cives]

Portland will not give up a bunch of young talent to get Vince Carter. He is stilla great contributor, but he will be on the decline when Portland really hits their stride. Now if they decided Carter was their target I would see them offering a package such as:

Raef lefrentz
Travis Outlaw
Some second round picks

for

Vince Carter