Evaluate WRs

[eagle13]

Its waaay slow so thot I'd ask feedback on current crop of WRs in camp?
Anyone have insight or oppinion on any of these guys?

Pack usually keeps 5 total but this year unless some backup stands out and because of 2 rookies and Koren situation we may start season with 6?

Driver & Jennings are lock to start. But what next?

James Jones - can we really expect another rookie to help much like Jennings did? As a 3rd pick he's almost got a roster spot locked - but will he contribute? Seems too slow for PR.

Ruvell Martin - great size, mediocre speed. I don't know about route precision or reliability of hands? Had a good game against Bears when Bears did not care.

David Clowney - great speed and decent size. OK physical specs good but what about his hands, routes, concentration, head??? Can we afford 2 unready rookies on roster? Maybe Practice squad guy but with his speed alone he'd probably get signed by someone.

Robert Ferguson - potential never realized. Does he make it as 5th guy on strength of ST play, backup PR, good locker room guy and experience?

David Carlyle - see Martin only a little shorter. As former QB he can pass on flea flicker!

Shaun Bodiford - average size but fast. Possiblity at both PR & KR? But is he a receiver?

Carlton Brewster - plays in Europe and did well. So what?

Chris Francies - average hgt w/ some lbs + ???

Calvin Russell - average size + ???

Koren Robinson - seemed to click with Brett.

My take -
Season stars with - Driver, Jennings, RMartin, Jones, Clowney and another guy (Bodiford?) who gets cut when Koren returns.

[bigkurty]

My take -
Season stars with - Driver, Jennings, RMartin, Jones, Clowney and another guy (Bodiford?) who gets cut when Koren returns.

I agree completely.

Its a shame what happened with Ferguson since he has shown numerous flashes of being really good over the years and I thought maybe he was starting to have some consistency right around the time he was clothes lined but ever since then, he is a shell of his former self. Its time to cut ties and go in a different direction.

[MickeyDavis]

I think Holiday will be a sleeper. Jennings is raring to go, he was in our office last week, he cannot wait for camp.

[Ayt]

I think Holiday will be a sleeper. Jennings is raring to go, he was in our office last week, he cannot wait for camp.

1000+ yards, 8+ TDs here we come.

[Thunder Muscle]

I'm big on Ruvell Martin as a sleeper. I actually think he's alright.

[TheGhostDog]

I took my nephews to Lambeau for a kids football camp last week and got to see Clowney up close (also Arliss Beach and Vernand Morency). For what it's worth, Clowney lived up to his name in a good way - he was obviously enjoying goofing around with the kids (more than any other Packer I remember in the 2 years we've gone), getting them fired up, letting them beat him at 20 yard dashes - he seemed like a genuinely fun, high-energy, positive personality guy to have as a teammate. I wouldn't hold out much hope that he can put on weight, however; he looks to have a whippet-lean body type like Al Harris.

Off topic, I know, but at the camp I also learned a startling truth about Brett Favre. When you see him on the sidelines during a game holding up and shaking a gatorade cup over his mouth he's not trying to shake loose some ice, he's trying to loosen up his gummi bears. Yep, Favre likes to snack on gummi bears during games. Someone alert Madden.

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I agree completely.

Its a shame what happened with Ferguson since he has shown numerous flashes of being really good over the years and I thought maybe he was starting to have some consistency right around the time he was clothes lined but ever since then, he is a shell of his former self. Its time to cut ties and go in a different direction.

eagle- good post and pretty much agree with everything you said. I don't know if they go with 6. I would say 5 and may hide someone on the PS. I don't see Jones as the #3 WR either-his problems learning the system @SJS will probably mean he is a special team guy -not a return guy, but a gunner. I like Clowney, but with that frame he will get injured (just a feeling). If Driver or Jennings gets hurt they will be in big trouble, don't see anything that good after those two.

[eagle13]

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eagle- good post and pretty much agree with everything you said. I don't know if they go with 6. I would say 5 and may hide someone on the PS. I don't see Jones as the #3 WR either-his problems learning the system @SJS will probably mean he is a special team guy -not a return guy, but a gunner. I like Clowney, but with that frame he will get injured (just a feeling). If Driver or Jennings gets hurt they will be in big trouble, don't see anything that good after those two.

I agree we're in deep dodo IF a starter goes down!

Did not say Jones was my 3rd receiver. Just reviewed him 3rd. Really did not say who my 3rd would be but my last list at end where I named players I thot would make team did put Ruvell 3rd. Unless either rookie or other guy breaks out that probably right UNTIL Koren comes back. Koren WILL be #3.

Private fantasy is David Clowney breaks out in preseason and clearly earns #3. His speed would be great. With Koren we'd have 4 good WRs.

[El_Lobo_3]

yea that would be nice to see koren come back with either clowney or jones playing great so we have 4 good wrs, if not even 5 if both rooks play well. when exactly does koren come back???

[JHSFIVE]

When is Koren back?

[MickeyDavis]

I believe his one year is up after the fourth game. He has to be reinstated but as long as he stays out of trouble he should be fine to return. What kind of shape he's in remains to be seen.

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I think with Koren you just go ahead figuring he wont be a factor at all. If he does make it through Oct (when he is slated to come back) without incident, he will probably need a few weeks to get in full time playing shape.

This group will be in for a world of hurt if Driver or Jennings gets hurt. Considering both guys have some injury history and are pretty small by todays standards I think it's a fair possibility that happens somewhere over the 16 game schedule.

IF one goes down you are looking at:

Martin as your starter- Journeymen
Jones- A possession receiver who has trouble learning systems (totally unproven and most NFL Scouts had pegged as a 5th round guy)
Clowney-Only guy on team with speed, but is rail thin and will have major problem with bump and run coverage.
Holliday- ?????
Robinson-See above

Why again was a 4th round pick and a short term contract too much to ask for Moss (who would have played here and Favre wanted)? Has Ted ever explained what happened there?

[ssssssnake]

I'm a very big fan of Greg Jennings. I think our WR's are the most underrated group on this team becuase we have two really good ones and normal depth like everyone else. Not every team has two starters as good as Driver and Jennings.

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I'm a very big fan of Greg Jennings. I think our WR's are the most underrated group on this team becuase we have two really good ones and normal depth like everyone else. Not every team has two starters as good as Driver and Jennings.

Driver and Jennings are "nice" players, but neither is a big time playmaker. They are both under 6', not real big or strong, super shifty, and not real fast. They get the most out of their abilities and good guys on the team. Javon was a playmaker-

A list of playmaker WRs-

Owens
Moss
Roy Williams
Calvin Johnson-will be
Javon Walker
Andre Johnson
Steve Smith
Colston
Holt
Chad Johnson
Lee Evans

..To name some.

Driver has really benefited as the go to guy and padded his stats the past few because no one else there as options. Jennings gave us something, but got hurt. I think it's a little early to get that excited about him. He has just over 600 yards and only 3 TDs so far with a modest /catch average. Your #3 is a guy wouldn't even find a roster spot on most teams.

I think this group would rank about 15th to 20th in the NFL as far as WR if you were to take a unbiased poll. That is a lot better then where their RB and TE positions would rank (which would be right at the bottom).

[Ayt]

Jennings is underrated by many Packer fans simply because he got hurt. Had he not, he would have been one of those rare rookie WR's to break 1,000 yards.

Unless he has another unfortunate injury that lingers -- high ankle sprain -- I'd be shocked if he didn't break 1,000 this year.

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Jennings is underrated by many Packer fans simply because he got hurt. Had he not, he would have been one of those rare rookie WR's to break 1,000 yards.

Unless he has another unfortunate injury that lingers -- high ankle sprain -- I'd be shocked if he didn't break 1,000 this year.

I think Packer fans rate him very high. Every forum I have been to has a large % of fans that think he has Pro Bowl potential.

It's impossible to say how many yards he would have had if he had stayed healthy. That's pure speculation and doesn't mean anything except that's what you believe and you are very high on him. Before he got hurt he was slowing down. let's just wait and see, it's too early to say how good he will be, so far he has had just 3 games over 70 yards.

There is a big drop between him and the #3 WR so I think a lot of passes could go his way. I could easily see him getting 1k yards in our offense. I would not get so obseesed with receiving yards as the tell all though. The yards a receiver gets depends on things like the other WR on the team and the amount of passing a team does.

[Ayt]

I definitely think he has Pro Bowl potential. I think he will be an elite receiver actually. He has an outstanding feel for the position for such a young player and seems to be very underrated athletically.

[deep throat]

I definitely think he has Pro Bowl potential. I think he will be an elite receiver actually. He has an outstanding feel for the position for such a young player and seems to be very underrated athletically.

When you say underrated athletically what do you mean? Who's ratings are you speaking of exactly?

Does making the Pro Bowl make you a great player, or can it mean your a very good player that has benefited from the sytem/lack of other WRs? Ala Driver.

[Ayt]

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When you say underrated athletically what do you mean? Who's ratings are you speaking of exactly?

Does making the Pro Bowl make you a great player, or can it mean your a very good player that has benefited from the sytem/lack of other WRs? Ala Driver.

I believe you have sold his speed and overall athleticism a little short. For instance, he is very good at adjusting to balls in the mid to long range. He's also not very small at a hair under 6 feet, 200 pounds. He has an extremely solid build for his height.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistic ... &year=2006

Chad Johnson is barely bigger than Jennings and weighs less. Harrison is obviously not very big. Reggie Wayne? Evans, Holt, Bruce, etc. Jennings is plenty big enough and talented enough to consistently be one of the top in the league in receptions, yards, and TDs.

His big play ability and run after the catch are also aspects that are underrated in my mind. He has excellent foot speed and is a powerful runner because of his build and strength.

Obviously, I see him as being a very good player. As a Packer fan, I'd say the Sterling Sharpe comparison is a very good one.

[Neusch23]

I agree. I believe that Jennings COULD be a pro-bowl WR, however, we are going to need to be a more successful team for him to achieve this, unless, if he his getting 1,200 yards, maybe we are winning at a better clip. With us probably only winning 6-7 games this year, I think the odds are against him.

I hear he has a very good work ethic.