doclinkin wrote:WizarDynasty wrote:our gm doesn't have the gonads to pull a trade like that off. caron's lane agility is 12.15--aka lateral acceleration--dominic's is 10.95 ....[and similar jibber jabber]....
A long minute ago you were complaining 'too bad there's no measure of lateral quickness' and now after I told ya, you've become the apostle of lane agility?
But somehow everybody else is the idiot... There's a saying in my family "It's always the thief who shouts he's been robbed" if he misplaces his glasses or whatever. An innocent man assumes he's simply lost his shxt. Ernie ain't the moron, consider maybe you've just lost your shxt.
When it comes to this issue: you're gonna take the lane agility drill of Caron from when he was coming out of college, where he played power forward half the time, and at a combine when he was sorta pudgy from playing with bulk in the post, had an ankle injury if I recall it right-- then you're gonna use that for his lifetime limit on his speed, swiftness etc. When he's spent two offseasons getting into 'the best shape of his life'.
For real you have to get off the 'physical stat crack'. Caron Butler is an allstar because kid is a baller, he has powerful BBall IQ and remarkable size for strength ratio. Anytime you start to assess Jared Jeffries as a better player than CB3 --for whatever reason-- you have to shxtcan that measurement and start over. The anthropometrics etc hint towards a players ability, provide a range of potential, but rarely prove the limit of a player's ability. 'Size of the fight in the dog' gots to be taken account for.
(Also, in the interest of education: the lane agility drill ain't just lateral quix. It's a 'box run'. Start at the elbow extended, sprint to the baseline, shuffle to the cone, backpedal to elbow extended, shuffle to the start cone, then reverse. Wait a sec..... okay here's a link with a vid)
Until caron can bring it on both ends of hte courts he is an "incomplete baller" not a true allstar. Caron has not been a true baller on "both sides of the court" his entire career. The lane agility drill should have shown everyone His 12.15 should have been a warning to Grunfeld that Caron has poor agility and shotblocking skills on the perimeter per 48 minutes. A true allstar should be able to dominate both sides of court-a true allstar--dominates on both sides of the ball during the playoffs--. Jeffries was no allstar but he was dominant when defending on the perimeter because of the basketball talents he was born with. CAron's lateral acceleration, aka demonstrated lane--has only gotten worse based on his ability to keep up with playoff S/G's and S/F's. on the perimeter as well as his blocks per 48 minutes relative to other playoff s/fs.
I said lateral acceleration--how fast you can reach max speed in a short period of time, and how fast you can slow down your momentum...(that's different from quick--if a truck can take off just as quickly as motorcycle--then that truck is exceptional--Caron is a truck on perimeter trying to guard motorcyles) something that requires athleticism in your legs. Caron is still pudgy by the way which is why he has so many charges and is poor ball handler in transition. And "Ernie is an idiot when it comes to evaluating a players perimeter defense ability..he's good at offense--but building a team with one dimensional starters does not get you to championship--which is whole point of playing?--or that just the loser washington bullets mentality--lets just play to get to playoffs if we are lucky?"..apparently you don't really see the difference. Ernie can't either.
In most playoff matchups-Caron comes off the bench to give you an offensive spark since he is usually a horrible defensive matchup problem and doesn't give you much of an advantage offensively versus most playoff s/f. Same with Jamison. Matter of fact, that's exactly what lakers did when they had them on their team and i think that's what the dallas mavericks did with Jamison. I guess they are example of how to build teams that can make it at least the western championship game.
