Artest has two slightly torn ligaments...

[jassous]

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLi ... &hl=105212

[Baller 24]

With this in mind, I can say with pride.

The season has officially begun!

[Guy986]

Bless Artest.

If this is Tmac, he'll take half the year off.

[TMU]

Hopefully he doesn't aggravate his ankle before McGrady comes back.
Have to give him a lot of credit for playing hard even with the injury.

[smapor]

Man i hope he is healthy for majority of the season and all throughout the playoffs.

Rockets are just cursed with health.

[Alex_De_Large]

gotta admire this man.

[bubba]

bill worrell was right. he is a soldier. got my respect.

[Iggyemu]

Tough...but how can he last before he needs to take a long time off?

And no...the Rockets will never ever catch a break.

[TMACFORMVP]

Yeah, definitely deserves props for playing 100% despite the injury.

[jzmagik]

I just hope Artest doesn't push himself too much making his injury even worse. He's the type thats willing to play injured.

[ShaY]

When T-Mac said he will gametime decision for a while everyone bashed him , even in the chronicle ,but in the same scenario Ron is a hero.

And don't give me the torn ligamnets thing , the doctor say he can play and should play based on how he feels.

And props for Ron btw for fighting for his team , I just want him to be smart and not make it worse , even if it cost us some wins.

[moofs]

Heh, in the playoffs you want to see this sort of thing. Depending on whether it'll make it worse or not, in the regular season you should sit for a while and not be stupid. Gotta admire him for fighting through it, doesn't necessarily mean it's the right/smart thing to do.

[PocketRockets]

I said when he first injuried his ankle, I expected him to miss a week and 1/2 - 2 weeks. Most people would and I'm sure his drs. advised him on that. You can play with ligamental tears (depending on the severity) but you run the risk of tearing it completely. This would be rare though, but you never know b/c this is the NBA and those guys play extremely physical. I think he's stupid b/c you never wanna play on something that's foundationally weak already. With that said, he's heart should be praised. He knows G-mac is going to be out and how we play without ron/mac (memphis game)...so he takes if for the team and plays on that ankle.

[HTown_TMac]

When T-Mac said he will gametime decision for a while everyone bashed him , even in the chronicle ,but in the same scenario Ron is a hero.

And don't give me the torn ligamnets thing , the doctor say he can play and should play based on how he feels.

And props for Ron btw for fighting for his team , I just want him to be smart and not make it worse , even if it cost us some wins.

Did Artest even go to the doctor?
The reason T-Mac gets bashed so much is because its so often..

[TMU]

When T-Mac said he will gametime decision for a while everyone bashed him , even in the chronicle ,but in the same scenario Ron is a hero.

And don't give me the torn ligamnets thing , the doctor say he can play and should play based on how he feels.

And props for Ron btw for fighting for his team , I just want him to be smart and not make it worse , even if it cost us some wins.

Shay, I don't know what's wrong with you. No matter how many times we explain it to you, you just don't seem to understand. This is very unlikely of you.

First, McGrady and Artest are in a completely different situation. McGrady's injury occurred in the off-season whereas Artest's was discovered very recently. Second, I've said this like a gzillion times, fans are upset with McGrady not because of the injury itself, but rather his poor decisions which led to his missing of numerous games. Injuries are unprecedented, hence it's not the player's fault if he gets injured. However, it is an injured player's responsible to take initiatives and monitor his health upon doctor's evaluation. Again, people are upset with McGrady because all of his "DNPs" this season were/are avertible had he didn't make a mistake in first place.

[Baller 24]

When T-Mac said he will gametime decision for a while everyone bashed him , even in the chronicle ,but in the same scenario Ron is a hero.

And don't give me the torn ligamnets thing , the doctor say he can play and should play based on how he feels.

And props for Ron btw for fighting for his team , I just want him to be smart and not make it worse , even if it cost us some wins.

Watching McGrady throughout his entire career, I can conclude saying he is an arrogant, ego-filled, dramatic poor decision maker. Has been a lazy player thought out most of his career, his talent and skill could have kept him up with Kobe right now, but he had and STILL has poor conditioning, don't defend McGrady when he deserves every bit of the criticism, he knows it, he doesn't work hard enough when he has to, and things like this start happening. It happens every year, and will continue to happen until he ends his career, that is McGrady for you. Ron doesn't have poor conditioning, he is a strong player overall (size of LBJ 6'7 260LBS), and he keeps up with his conditioning, hard worker and player overall. Mental issues to, McGrady mentally is a girly pansy, while Ron cough cough lets just say it takes balls to start a brawl like he did, or go up against the players he has.

[YaoisGodsAnswer]

TRU WARRIO!!!!

[ShaY]

When T-Mac said he will gametime decision for a while everyone bashed him , even in the chronicle ,but in the same scenario Ron is a hero.

And don't give me the torn ligamnets thing , the doctor say he can play and should play based on how he feels.

And props for Ron btw for fighting for his team , I just want him to be smart and not make it worse , even if it cost us some wins.

Shay, I don't know what's wrong with you. No matter how many times we explain it to you, you just don't seem to understand. This is very unlikely of you.

First, McGrady and Artest are in a completely different situation. McGrady's injury occurred in the off-season whereas Artest's was discovered very recently. Second, I've said this like a gzillion times, fans are upset with McGrady not because of the injury itself, but rather his poor decisions which led to his missing of numerous games. Injuries are unprecedented, hence it's not the player's fault if he gets injured. However, it is an injured player's responsible to take initiatives and monitor his health upon doctor's evaluation. Again, people are upset with McGrady because all of his "DNPs" this season were/are avertible had he didn't make a mistake in first place.

You have every right to feel that way and what I said wasn't pointing to you.

It was pointing to posts like if it was T-Mac he would sit out half of the season , and posts like from CuttingEdge saying that T-Mac never came close to dominating like Ron Artest can , and that we are better off with Battier instead of T-Mac.

It's how easily people forget what bothers me , myabe T-Mac didn't rehab hard enough and maybe he did , we don't know and thats not the point and I don't want to argue about that no more.

In the past T-Mac has never been soft when it comes to playing injured when he can , just in last year's playoffs he was playing really banged up and gave his all even though we didn't have a real chance.

It's the type of posts that write him off completly , and doesn't appreciate nothing he has done in the past because of his injury now that irritate me.

Because the same people who write him off now will jump back on the bandwagon when he is healthy and playing well and that disgusts me.

[ShaY]

When T-Mac said he will gametime decision for a while everyone bashed him , even in the chronicle ,but in the same scenario Ron is a hero.

And don't give me the torn ligamnets thing , the doctor say he can play and should play based on how he feels.

And props for Ron btw for fighting for his team , I just want him to be smart and not make it worse , even if it cost us some wins.

Watching McGrady throughout his entire career, I can conclude saying he is an arrogant, ego-filled, dramatic poor decision maker. Has been a lazy player thought out most of his career, his talent and skill could have kept him up with Kobe right now, but he had and STILL has poor conditioning, don't defend McGrady when he deserves every bit of the criticism, he knows it, he doesn't work hard enough when he has to, and things like this start happening. It happens every year, and will continue to happen until he ends his career, that is McGrady for you. Ron doesn't have poor conditioning, he is a strong player overall (size of LBJ 6'7 260LBS), and he keeps up with his conditioning, hard worker and player overall. Mental issues to, McGrady mentally is a girly pansy, while Ron cough cough lets just say it takes balls to start a brawl like he did, or go up against the players he has.

So Mcgrady is not tough because he never jumped into the stands to punch some fans?

Mcgrady is not as tough as Ron is , I know that but he is also not a pansy like you day he is.

Mcgrady didn't have poor conditioning before , he started declining after 04/05 , in Orlando he did everything and never got tired and in the Dallas series he was guarding everybody from Dirk to Howard and Stackhouse very very well and still played great on offense.

I agree he has been lazy on occasions but saying he was lazy most of his career is just not true IMO.

The knee and shoulder is the first time in his career that he had surgery , it's his back that caused all the problems until now.

He had 2 freak inuries with his shoulder and knee last year , his knee at 1st was supposed to be just a bruised knee , nothing serious the doctors said , Mcgrady played hurt but then continued to complaing about the pain and then they find out it's something serious.

IMO T-Mac gets way way too much criticism for his current injuries because of his history and it's just not right .
I don't thing he deserves so much criticism based on speculations on how hard he rehabbed or not , if he would just said he is not ready and never started the season (like Battier) no way he gets this much criticism imo (Battier was suppose to be ready for the opener but took a lot of extra time and people didn't care because he didn't start the season and didn't have history of injuries , if T-Mac would have done the same he would still get criticized because of his histry but not this much) , and because he cameback when he is not ready to try and help the team and then sat out he gets bashed now.

And it disguts me all those people who completly write him off but then are back on the bandwagon when he comes back and plays well.

[ShaY]

[quote="Baller 24"]

Watching McGrady throughout his entire career, I can conclude saying he is an arrogant, ego-filled, dramatic poor decision maker. quote]

And I can see where you are coming with this statment.
Mcgrady has a big ego but every star has this and he makes poor decisions , especially with the media.

A good example for me is the Utah series 2 years ago , the way I see it T-Mac said it's on me because he though we had that series so he wanted it to look like "here you go , I did it" , thats also why he didn't show up in game 6 , he tried hard imo , but he didn't leave everything out on the floor.

Thats what seperates him from Kobe , thats and also injuries.

In those playoffs he raised his level of play but not like he used to , thats when imo he started his decline and why he is a tier below Kobe , before that I would consider them the same tier but Kobe a little better.

With that said T-Mac gets too much criticism right now imo because of his histry and I disagree with that , thats my right , you guys can continue to think I am worng and disagree.