Jazz @ Timberwolves

[gojazzmjsucks]

Lets see where this team is with Booz back against the Blazers! Being the Rhode Island guy I would love to talk up my Jazz to all the Celts fans, but I must say our trip to Boston on December 15th is going to be scary unless we grow a pair! We are a couple games from being the two seed. Remember that before you through this team under the bus. We have yet to see D-Will, Brew, CJ, Booz, and Memo on the floor at once. Theres no reason why this team can not be the two seed in the West. It's there for who ever gets hot first!We get Booz back on thursday so it could certainly be us! Lets go Jazz the doors open.

[The Sheik]

Guys I missed the first half, did Miles get hurt?

foul trouble.

[JStockLivesOn]

alot of the **** i just read on this board disgust me. the jazz had a bad game, we are not at 100%

alot of you are gonna wish you didnt say the stuff you you said on this thread tonight. watch, when boozer gets back, we will be a very dominant team again. and we will all say that we are legit title contenders. Even after this game, i still believe so...

Ugly win, but ill take the W any way it comes

I'd love it if you were right. I was mostly wrong about CJ, and I'm ecstatic about that fact. But this team just hasn't brought it this season at all, and that can't be entirely blamed on injuries. We still have to show up.

[Sloanfeld]

The Wolves busted their friggen butts off, and it still wasn't enough. The Jazz should have lost that one. I am so frustrated.

The Wolves outplayed us for 47 minutes. But we woke up at the end, I guess. Tough loss for you guys. You played very well.

First quarter on the Wolves broadcast they said that the Wolves have to play for 48 minutes to win. LOL

[BarneyGumble]

What I love most about DWill is he KNOWS HOW TO WIN. He played, by all accounts, a crap game. I'm sure he wouldnt disagree. But he knew exactly what to do to give us a shot at the end. He looked for Brewer often. He found Korver for that nasty three to put us up. And he found Memo to make the game-winner. The two FTs at the end were icing on the cake.

Williams flat out has what it takes to win in this league.


Brewer was awesome. Where was CJ? I like Almond getting minutes. Wish we could find a spot for him. Boot Fess...

[The Sheik]

alot of the **** i just read on this board disgust me. the jazz had a bad game, we are not at 100%

alot of you are gonna wish you didnt say the stuff you you said on this thread tonight. watch, when boozer gets back, we will be a very dominant team again. and we will all say that we are legit title contenders. Even after this game, i still believe so...

Ugly win, but ill take the W any way it comes

Regardless of whether we won tonight or not. Regardless if we were 18-5 or 14-9 we are still not a good defensive team. We have just gotten beaten up in the paint both scoring wise and on the o boards. Boozer will help with rebounding, but our D is still awful. We are just getting rapped inside.

Sloan needs to do a few things. 1. Never put AK as the 4 unless its small ball. 2. Have Kosta or Memo on the floor at all times. Kosta needs to replace Harpring in the rotation. Thats a must. This team needs to be 10 deep because we dont have a lot of size up front. Both our starting PF and C typically play smaller then they're. Our backup PF has the heart of a lion, but is literally as tall as Ronnie Brewer. Kosta is the only guy I have seen all season that patrols the paint, alters shots and defends and blocks shots in the trenches. Both AK and Millsap get 80% of their blocks coming into help from the weak side.

Do you Honestly think we can beat the Lakers in a 7 game series without HCA?

[@ndrew]

Did you see Kosta rebound the ball? Because he didn't get a rebound tonight( yeah, 5 minutes only), but he didn't get a lot against PHX. We need more defensive-oriented center IMO.

[Duiz]

It has been well over a page since our rejuvenated Memo has gotten any praises here. And people say that we hate Boozer on too much. Memo I think is the one really who has been thrown under the bus after this win.

[The Sheik]

Did you see Kosta rebound the ball? Because he didn't get a rebound tonight( yeah, 5 minutes only), but he didn't get a lot against PHX. We need more defensive-oriented center IMO.

Did you watch the game? When did he have a chance to get one? It was all fouls and turnovers that qt.

He has played nearly half the minutes as Memo and Boozer and has more blocks then both combined. He is an underrated defender, but I agree he needs to get nastier on the boards...specifically on the O glass. What I said about him clogging up the paint is true though, he does it better then any big on this team.

Dont be the russian AK homer...you and everyone knows he got his ass beaten by Kevin Love tonight.

[carrottop12]

Alright, so I have quite a few opinions on tonights game.

1. Page 7Is both the funniest, and maybe most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time. Everyone was jumping ship on the Jazz.

2. This is a typical Jazz trap game. Bad team, on the road, on a losing streak, new coach, extra distraction (Sloan's 20) and no practice this morning. That screams perfect Jazz storm. They always blow these games.

3. Deron is struggling. He just has not had it lately, we know his game hasn't left him because his assist numbers are still great, but he just can't score right now. His first step is dead right now, and when he is getting to the rim he isn't getting any lift and is getting most of his shots swatted.

4. The Jazz need Carlos Boozer back. His double teams help out everyone, that will be a real boost when he gets back. We will really see how deep the Jazz are when he returns.

5. For anyone who says the Jazz aren't contenders. Take Kobe off the Lakers for 13 games, and make him play at anywhere from 50-80% in the rest of those and tell me they would have a record of 14-9 right now. And remember, when he gets back bench Gasol for 11. Then make Fisher and Farmar miss a few. And sit Bynum for 5. And take Odom out with a bad ankle for 5 games or so. The Jazz have been hurt a ridiculous amount of time this year. To be 14-9 at this point is awesome. And considering they have to go 2-7 over their next 9 to tie up next years record, I'm pretty happy.

6. This is a second half of the season team. Always has been, and it's when the depth really starts to show up. When you can have Millsap give you 20 minutes a night and save Boozer or Okur those extra 8 or so a night it pays off. When Knight can give you 20 minutes, or when CJ, Korver, Ronnie or AK can carry a scoring load and switch off every night, you are in great shape. The Jazz depth is going to catch up with them, and with the other teams. Being this deep is so important.

7. These past two games have been the best 2 games the Jazz have played all year in my mind. Here is why. For one, winning home games by 17 points doesn't mean jack to me. You get lots of calls at home, you have the crowd, you slept in your own bed, you are expected to win. Those games are essentially gimmies. It's these games on the road when you are down in the fourth quarter, like they were tonight and were against Phoenix, that you fight til the end and give yourself a position to win that are important. 2 games in a row, on the road, the Jazz rallied from 9+ points deficits in the fourth quarter to give themselves a chance to win it in the final few possesions. That is huge come the playoffs. The Jazz have not given up in either game when they had plenty of chances to do so, they came back, and made a game of both. Hate to sound like a Sloan homer, but like he says. If you play hard all the time, the rest will take care of itself. If the Jazz don't give up in any games this year, no matter how terrible Deron is playing, or how bad the refs are, the Jazz will be in a position to win games, like tonight, and like the game on Saturday.

Thats all I have to say.

[HammerDunk]

Did someone honestly just complain that Koufos didn't get a rebound in the 6 MINUTES HE PLAYED!?!? He was lucky to score 2 points in that time. He barely had time to think!

[Duiz]

Even at full strength this isnt a title team...period.

It was a horrendous game for both Deron and Andrei, period.

Once Boozer comes back on thursday, we will be as Title contending as it comes until Kirilenko's contract expires. Better enjoy it while we have it.

I'm sorry, Duiz, but this team is nowhere near the Lakers, Cavs or Celtics if Deron keeps playing the way he has. They're on the Suns, Mavs level or even worse thah that.

[OC Jazzfan]

Yeow....

I've always considered myself a bit of a closet Jazz homer, but compared to some (Bat) I stand shamed. Sorry, but for me to find positives and a bunch of optimism for home court is difficult to say the least.

The fact is the Jazz have already lost 3 at home after only losing 5 all of last year. Plus, they do not look to have improved at all on the road. Same trend as last year; Lose to or struggle against teams they should beat. If they don't make a substantial improvement on the road they will finish with a worse record than last year. If this turns out to be the case, home court will not be in the cards. Without home court, the Jazz are not title contenders IMO. To state this is not throwing them under the bus or giving up on them, just being realistic.

If you want to see someone thrown under the bus, try this... Until some of our guys trade in their vaginas for honest to god man meat, we're going to have problems. This means you Boozer. Sometimes I think Booz would miss 10 games for a pimple on his ass. Collins, you can can keep your vag though. God, how I miss the days when I'd hear, "Malone has a sprained ankle," or "Stockton wrenched his elbow," because I always knew they'd play and play to a high level anyway.

[majortripps69]

God, how I miss the days when I'd hear, "Malone has a sprained ankle," or "Stockton wrenched his elbow," because I always knew they'd play and play to a high level anyway.

Get over those days, they don't exist anymore. Players make lots of money, they make lots on endorsements, free agency, you name it. They aren't going to risk their future to play through an injury that they should be resting anyway. And for what it's worth, Karl and John were able to stay remarkably injury free most of their careers. Stockton missed the first month and a half one season with the knee surgery and Malone missed alot of games when he went to the Lakers. Injuries happen and you just have to deal with it. If Kobe goes down tomorrow with a severely sprained ankle like Deron had, I guarantee he's missing games. I'll give him credit for the finger issue, but that's a little bit easier to play with than something that affects mobility and drive.

I guess what I am saying is this.. Let's give this team some time to sort through the injuries. Deron came back to soon and I'd wager had Boozer not went down when he did, Deron would have sat even longer. Playing 4 games in 5 nights with that kind of pain/uncertainty is hard and it's going to take him time to get over it. I've had a severe sprain like that and it was quite a while before I could run or jump, and I wasn't in the same league of conditioning that these guys are, as well as the advanced treatments they get.

Patience grasshopper, this team will shine soon....

[carrottop12]

Well, I guess you can call me a homer, maybe I just see the glass half full.

I am really surprised how few people have faith in this team. We haven't seen this team even remotely close to full strength and people are jumping ship. You can call me crazy, but I honestly believe the Jazz will finish the season at least 2nd in the West, have an improved road record from last year, and make a good if not great run in the playoffs.

People are treating this team like we are sub .500, it's a bit unbelievable.

[@ndrew]

Did you see Kosta rebound the ball? Because he didn't get a rebound tonight( yeah, 5 minutes only), but he didn't get a lot against PHX. We need more defensive-oriented center IMO.

He has played nearly half the minutes as Memo and Boozer and has more blocks then both combined. He is an underrated defender, but I agree he needs to get nastier on the boards...specifically on the O glass. What I said about him clogging up the paint is true though, he does it better then any big on this team.

Dont be the russian AK homer...you and everyone knows he got his ass beaten by Kevin Love tonight.

Huh. I don't want AK to play 4. And I can bash him harder, than you, because some people overrate him a lot (and some underrate him too, though). So it's really non-homerish. And it's not my point. My point was that you want Sloan to play Kosta more, but I think that it's not the solution, because Kosta can't play "big" enough. Do you think differently? OK, and I'm getting your arguments, but I think that we need different solution - trade, signing, whatever, just to get guy, who is concentrated on defensive stuff. May be it's not possible at this point.

Hopefully, I add up.
Cheers, bro.

[JStockLivesOn]

No one's treating this team like it's sub-500, Bat -- just coming to terms with the fact that enormous expectations that were had going into this season may not be met.

It's easy to say "we haven't even seen this team at 100% yet," but I'm starting to wonder if we're going to. Even with our full roster back, Deron's ankle is going to stay the same as it is now. That doesn't fill me with much undying confidence.

I'm not jumping ship. They're my team 'till the end, but I'm being -- and this is just my opinion in my own mind -- realistic.

Besides, as I said a couple pages back, if fans can't vent in a message board game thread, where CAN they vent?

[qman]

Well, I guess you can call me a homer, maybe I just see the glass half full.

I am really surprised how few people have faith in this team. We haven't seen this team even remotely close to full strength and people are jumping ship. You can call me crazy, but I honestly believe the Jazz will finish the season at least 2nd in the West, have an improved road record from last year, and make a good if not great run in the playoffs.

People are treating this team like we are sub .500, it's a bit unbelievable.

I have to say we don't look good but have enough guys that are mentally tough to pull through (Millsap, Deron and Brewer.)