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Sources: Wizards get 2 guards in trade 

Post#1 » by Blame Rasho » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:06 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3759656

The Washington Wizards, Memphis Grizzlies and New Orleans Hornets have agreed to a three-team trade that will bring two new guards to the Gilbert Arenas-less Wizards, according to NBA front-office sources.

The Wizards will receive New Orleans' Mike James and Memphis' Javaris Crittenton in the exchange, with the Hornets acquiring Washington's Antonio Daniels and the Grizzlies coming away with a future first-round pick.
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Post#2 » by RTM » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:16 pm

I like this deal a lot. NO finally gets an able backup point, Washington swaps one reserve for another while picking up a prospect, and the Grizz trade a player who wasn't in their plans for their pick back. Sounds good, IMO.
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Post#3 » by UrbanLegendMD » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:20 pm

Dee Brown released? He was a starter. Illini Prince on the move again.
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Re: Sources: Wizards get 2 guards in trade 

Post#4 » by Blame Rasho » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:21 pm

Antonio is about as solid as you can get for a point guard and he can see spot duty at shooting guard.

I don't really care for James, but Crittention is an interesting guy with alot of physical tools that you desire from a point guard.

Ekk... just noticed that James has a Per of 6... If you are Bruce Bowen you can live with that, but not when you are Mike James.

Grizz with a pick... great...

I like the deal for everyone.
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Post#5 » by Trilogy » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:22 pm

Good deal all around.

I'm interested to see how Crittenton does.
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Post#6 » by realball » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:31 pm

This wouldn't be a three-team trade, right? It would be two trades for Washington. Crittenton for the pick, and Daniels for James. I don't see why Washington is doing NO a favor by swapping Daniels for the inferior James.
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Re: Sources: Wizards get 2 guards in trade 

Post#7 » by jimij » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:39 pm

realball wrote:This wouldn't be a three-team trade, right? It would be two trades for Washington. Crittenton for the pick, and Daniels for James. I don't see why Washington is doing NO a favor by swapping Daniels for the inferior James.


James contract is a bit smaller than Daniel's so by making the trade and cutting Dee Brown, Washington will be able to stay under the luxury tax threshold when they add Crittendon.
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Post#8 » by He Hate Me » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:49 pm

i really liked antonio daniels... and until now was not fond of mike james, who by the way will be a disaster if/when gilbert does come back. Antonio and Gilbert played plenty of minutes on the court together splitting pg duties so that Gil could go balls to the wall as a scorer.

I remember thinking Gasol got traded for Crittenton so he must be ok, but the emergence of Marc sorta pushed that out of most of our heads. He seems like a score-first pg too. We certainly have a type here in DC. 6'10 elbow shooters and scoring PGs
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Re: Sources: Wizards get 2 guards in trade 

Post#9 » by bill curley II » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:49 pm

realball wrote:This wouldn't be a three-team trade, right? It would be two trades for Washington. Crittenton for the pick, and Daniels for James. I don't see why Washington is doing NO a favor by swapping Daniels for the inferior James.


Maybe the pick is from NO? Without looking at contracts, I would think that that would be the fair trade considering Daniels is a step up from James, so NO would have to give up something extra.
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Post#10 » by eslr » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:50 pm

realball wrote:This wouldn't be a three-team trade, right? It would be two trades for Washington. Crittenton for the pick, and Daniels for James. I don't see why Washington is doing NO a favor by swapping Daniels for the inferior James.


Memphis wouldn't take salary back and the Wiz didn't have a TPE, so they had to find a thirs team to take some salary to make this work.

I'm not a huge fan of this for the Wiz. The pick for Critt seems fair, but then they take a big downgrade from Daniels to James.
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Post#11 » by He Hate Me » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:52 pm

yeah any news on this pick? Was has one of MEMs picks from the JCN trade. If that's the pick that goes I remember it being pretty well protected when we got it, if we did trade it did we re-protect it? ie. top 20 protected for them, now being pick 20-25 protected. Could we get this to be the most protected pick ever?
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Re: Sources: Wizards get 2 guards in trade 

Post#12 » by Kobay » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:07 pm

Wallace...guy cleans up salary, gets mayo and another (possibly) top pick.
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Post#13 » by ponder276 » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:19 pm

This is incredibly cheap from Washington's point of view. Daniels is signed for 2 years, making $6,200,000 this year, and $6,600,000 next year. Mike James is also signed for 2 years, making $6,049,400 this year, and $6,466,600 next year. Downgrading from Antonio Daniels to Mike James just to save $150,000/year? Even if they're in the luxury tax, that's a bit ridiculous.

Good trade for Memphis (Critt wasn't doing much anyways), and New Orleans make out like bandits - Daniels should be a great backup to Paul.
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Post#14 » by He Hate Me » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:36 pm

Yeah I am really not understanding the Daniels for James swap from WAS point of view. At best it's a quick fix for scoring issues that should dissapear with the emergence of Young at SG and the eventual return of Arenas. And they give up a pick from MEM that while fairly well-protected was sold for well-under what MEM would have paid, esp. when some of that protection drops.
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Post#15 » by CITYOFANGELSX3 » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:37 pm

Daniels sucks, NO fans better recognize you just downgraded in backup PG.
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Post#16 » by He Hate Me » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:43 pm

Daniels is better than James at PG/passing and involving teamates. James is better at SG/scoring in general.
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Re: Sources: Wizards get 2 guards in trade 

Post#17 » by loserX » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:44 pm

ponder276 wrote:This is incredibly cheap from Washington's point of view. Daniels is signed for 2 years, making $6,200,000 this year, and $6,600,000 next year. Mike James is also signed for 2 years, making $6,049,400 this year, and $6,466,600 next year. Downgrading from Antonio Daniels to Mike James just to save $150,000/year? Even if they're in the luxury tax, that's a bit ridiculous.


Very wise Wizards poster nate33 pointed this out on the trade board:

The Grizzlies clearly did not want to take ANY salary back. In order for Washington to take on additional salary while over the cap, they either had to have a Traded Player Exception (which they didn't have), or send out salary so that they could take back 125% of that amount. James plus Crittenton came out to less than 125% of Daniels' salary, so it was legal.

(Now, were there other, less destructive ways of doing this? Who knows. But that's why the swap was in there...to facilitate an over-the-cap trade where another party refused to take back any salary. Not so much the tax avoidance.)
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Post#18 » by He Hate Me » Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:50 pm

oooh so that's why we traded our starting PG and dropped the backup pg...
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Re: Sources: Wizards get 2 guards in trade 

Post#19 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:12 pm

Nice deal for everyone. I really hope Crittenton will get some PT. I think this guy can play if he gets a chance.
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Re: Sources: Wizards get 2 guards in trade 

Post#20 » by Alex_De_Large » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:20 pm

Daniels is much better than James, Hornets are big time winners here.

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