Bulls need Milsap! help us help you :-)

[Ming Kong!]

You can have Boozer, but not Millsap. Millsap is going to cost us about $10M/yr to retain, while Boozer is going to demand a contract of over $17M in the first year, that would run over $20M in it's last years.

[erudite23]

Anyone who thinks Millsap is getting 10m a year for 5 years based upon 11 games of starting in the NBA is out of their mind. There are only a few teams with enough cap space to offer him any more than a little over the MLE. Those teams will be looking at a very impressive FA crop to sign with their $$$. Millsap is a very nice player, and has been terrific with Booz out, but these guaranteed contracts are not being handed out as willy-nilly as they used to be. If you'll notice, GMs (with the exception of Golden State) are being far more conservative and cautious with their signings.

My guess right now would be that Millsap gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-8m per season. He's going to have a hard time getting more, as a very comparable player, Jason Maxiel, is getting about 5m a year from Detroit.

Memo won't get a cent over 10m a year unless some team is out of their mind.


Boozer is the guy we have to worry about in regards to overpaying from other teams. But that's why we have Millsap as a RFA. By the time Millsap signs with another team and the waiting period is up, we will most likely know what kind of $$ Boozer is getting on the market, and whether or not we are comfortable to offer him the going rate. If we aren't, we match the deal for Millsap, if we are, we figure out if there is a feasible way to keep Paul with the contracts we already have committed to. If not, we let him walk. Its not likely that we get anything back for either Boozer or Millsap.


IF we did a deal with Chicago, I am only interested in a Noah + a 1st and the option to swap 1st rounders the following season, no protection. I think Noah would be a great fit under Sloan on the court, and a train wreck off it.

[@ndrew]

even with his attitude problems?

[Ming Kong!]

Anyone who thinks Millsap is getting 10m a year for 5 years based upon 11 games of starting in the NBA is out of their mind. There are only a few teams with enough cap space to offer him any more than a little over the MLE. Those teams will be looking at a very impressive FA crop to sign with their $$$. Millsap is a very nice player, and has been terrific with Booz out, but these guaranteed contracts are not being handed out as willy-nilly as they used to be. If you'll notice, GMs (with the exception of Golden State) are being far more conservative and cautious with their signings.

My guess right now would be that Millsap gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-8m per season. He's going to have a hard time getting more, as a very comparable player, Jason Maxiel, is getting about 5m a year from Detroit.

Memo won't get a cent over 10m a year unless some team is out of their mind.


Boozer is the guy we have to worry about in regards to overpaying from other teams. But that's why we have Millsap as a RFA. By the time Millsap signs with another team and the waiting period is up, we will most likely know what kind of $$ Boozer is getting on the market, and whether or not we are comfortable to offer him the going rate. If we aren't, we match the deal for Millsap, if we are, we figure out if there is a feasible way to keep Paul with the contracts we already have committed to. If not, we let him walk. Its not likely that we get anything back for either Boozer or Millsap.


IF we did a deal with Chicago, I am only interested in a Noah + a 1st and the option to swap 1st rounders the following season, no protection. I think Noah would be a great fit under Sloan on the court, and a train wreck off it.

Look I'd be overjoyed if Millsap gets $7-8M, but do you he and the Jazz don't know how good he really is. You think non of the coaches/GMs on other teams that see him when he visits know his worth? I think if the Jazz don't pay $10M another team will. Lets face it, he's a PF who has an assortment of offensive and defensive skills and it's just the dawn of his 3rd year right now for this mid-2nd rounder who's come so far. He's quick for a PF, and he even has enough muscle and energy to pound inside at the center position for a few minutes too, as we've seen him do for the Jazz.

Noah would be an interesting player for the Jazz. I absolutely love his PER36: 7.1ppg 12.3rpg 1.6apg 1.4spg 2.5bpg.... but he also get's 6.1PF in his PER36. Ofcourse we wouldn't need him for 36 minutes coming off the bench, but something like 8rpg 1spg and 1.7bpg off the bench in about 24 minutes would incredible for us since he could play the majority of back up minutes at both C and PF.

The Bulls will probably have a crappy pick though since they're likely making the playoffs anywhere between 6-8 in the west and will probably have around the 15-16th pick in the draft next year, but hey two picks in the teens and a Noah for someone we have to let go, oh and we'll get cap relief. Not a terrible situation. Especially with the 2010 Knicks pick. Imagine what we could do with a 10th (Knicks) and another pick in the teens, if we packaged them in 2010. I'm sure a team in the top 5 would be more than willing to negotiate.

[hoops4life]

unless you trade kirilenko... who the Cavs may be willing to take. The Cavs would prolly take Okur too.

Okur & Harping for Wally Szczerbiak & 2nd round pick (via Chicago)

or

A.Kirilenko & Morris Almond for Wally Szczerbiak, Kinsey & 1st round pick.

Both of those are pretty outrageous. I wouldn't even consider either of them and would be seriously upset if the Jazz even considered either of them. Ak is more valuable that Wally even two years ago when Ak was at his low.

I find it hard to believe that Millsap will get $10 mil a year. I could be wrong. GSW had some serious money to spend last season and there weren't a ton of FA's and Turiaf only got $4.5 million. I think Millsap is better than Turiaf. Millic only got $7.5 and he is a big man. Millsap is a little undersized too. I know he plays bigger than he really is, you still have to consider that.

[hoops4life]

Look I'd be overjoyed if Millsap gets $7-8M, but do you he and the Jazz don't know how good he really is. You think non of the coaches/GMs on other teams that see him when he visits know his worth? I think if the Jazz don't pay $10M another team will. Lets face it, he's a PF who has an assortment of offensive and defensive skills and it's just the dawn of his 3rd year right now for this mid-2nd rounder who's come so far. He's quick for a PF, and he even has enough muscle and energy to pound inside at the center position for a few minutes too, as we've seen him do for the Jazz.

You also have to wonder if he is a product of the system to a degree.

Could you go into his assortment of offensive and defensive skills? He has come along way. He still seems fairly limited on offense, needs work on his Ft%, and commits bad fouls on the defensive end.

He is quick for a pf and kind of average at best for a sf. He does out hustle & muscle players but is still shorter.

[kebutah]

I think money is going to be tighter than anyone is saying. Milsap is a good player for the Jazz, but in lieu of next year's free agents and the aftermath I doubt he will receive offers over the MLE. The big spenders like New York and Dallas will wait until next year.

[Ming Kong!]

Look I'd be overjoyed if Millsap gets $7-8M, but do you he and the Jazz don't know how good he really is. You think non of the coaches/GMs on other teams that see him when he visits know his worth? I think if the Jazz don't pay $10M another team will. Lets face it, he's a PF who has an assortment of offensive and defensive skills and it's just the dawn of his 3rd year right now for this mid-2nd rounder who's come so far. He's quick for a PF, and he even has enough muscle and energy to pound inside at the center position for a few minutes too, as we've seen him do for the Jazz.

You also have to wonder if he is a product of the system to a degree.

Could you go into his assortment of offensive and defensive skills? He has come along way. He still seems fairly limited on offense, needs work on his Ft%, and commits bad fouls on the defensive end.

He is quick for a pf and kind of average at best for a sf. He does out hustle & muscle players but is still shorter.

He has good footwork under the rim, he can finish hard, and he has a good mid range jumper for a big up to 12-15 feet out. Do I really need to say about his defense? He's simply a high energy big who can gather steals and blocks, and obviously he hits the boards. To me he's already more multi dimensional than Boozer. Boozer basically is a better scorer right now, but that is all, and Boozer has 4 years on him, so considering Millsap can score 18 a night at this stage, and Boozer does about 21-22, it's mightly close for a 3rd year player, especially considering he expends energy on defense.

[hoops4life]

They briefly mentioned on 1280 last night that they think Milsap will get about $6 mil per year.

[thereacharound]

all the Bulls need to do is is trade Hinrich for an expring and a pick and be under the cap by about 12-13 million as gooden and Gordon expire. they will offer every penny to boozer or milsap cuz we need so much front court help desperately.

what makes the bulls dangerous is they will have the cap space to do just that if they want it. Bulls Gm just needs to be willing to part with Kirk for capspace...

for example Portland. at the deadline, It would be silly for portland not to offer lafrentz expiring for hinrich (and filler like Simmons and hunter). blazers prolly need to throw in a future #1. blazer get what they need most...a nice upgrade at PG.

if we do that our target are squarely on Boozer or Milsap. And i agree with some your posters...Milsap overall is a better player than Boozer. def better defensively and rebounding. similar inside scoring. similar ability to run the court on th ebreak. similar finishing ability. both have nice hands. Boozer is a better jump shooter. Milsap is younger and should get paid around 12 million. Boozer 15-17 million.

Paxson is willing to overpay for either cuz we have the budding superstar in Rose, Hughes(thabo), deng, (Milsap or Boozer hopefully), and Gray or Noah. there is no reason to think that the Bulls would not take a major step forward with that line up. Bulls might even be a 7th or 8th seed this year. with Milsap or Boozer here instead of Gooden and then clearing out our guard glut to help define roles on the team next year the bulls would be looking to move up to a 4th-6th seed and possibly the second round of the playoffs.

and again...you guys can keep all 3 free agents.

and your problem seems to be Ak's contract and Boozer and Milsap are redundant.

If i were your GM I'd be very interested in dumping AK's longterm deal with Milsap to bring something good back. If i were your GM I would go for Nocioni, noah, and Gooden for Milsap and AK.

Noah is a 7 footer with energy. he had a 16 PER as a rookie...this year a step backward but he is a Pryzbilla type and cheap. Noc will average 7 miilion per season and can start at SF or come off the bench for you guys. gooden expires...would be a back up for your playoff run this year and help you guys retain Memo and Boozer. Its a good deal since AK has a horrible contract and Noc makes right around the mle and is declining. noah makes 2 million and is you gasol defender if you want any shot at the lakers you will need a body on gasol and Bynum.

Make the Bulls gove you this years #1 unprotected if makes you feel better?

we dont want AK...at all.

I'd be happy to do Noah for Milsap and Knight.-Bulls shoul dnot have to give up a #1 as Milsap is about to cost 10-12 million and Noah costs only 2.2 and is under contract for 3 more year...this way you just resign Boozer.