Official Countdown to Firing"NoLowPostOffense"Grunfeld

[Rafael122]

Doc - I think you said it once that when Ernie wants something done, he gets it done quicker. It seems like other teams take a week or two to complete a three team deal, and it only took him a day and a half, and I say that, because again, if something was brewing, AD would not have played last night.

Can't imagine what this team would look like now considering all the moves and potential moves he might have made.

I still think he's not done. Would not be surprised if he trades Etan and a pick for expiring contracts.

[WizarDynasty]

I got this from another thread but i definitely think it applies here.

While wer'e discussing his heft and girth and physiology. JCritical has the kind of frame that can actually put on more muscle to get DWade strong. If we end up with a hardass defensive coach with a gritty mentality I can see him driving Critter to condition up and build lean power. Right now it seems like he's getting by on raw talent, but hasn't scratched the surface of his eventual strength. Wish we had a real conditioning team.[/quote]
Cut the bowlegged. Comparing him to dwade is laughable at best. Dwade has super star lateral acceleration deacceleration coming into the league...check this out...dwade lateral acceleration according to draft express=10.56...absoluletly amazing...
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... os=0&sort=
javaris crittenton..is a full second slower...i didn't stutter...crittenton is a full second slower than dwade
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... os=1&sort=
If you are going to go out and get a raw talent..get us one with unteachable attributes that are similar to a super star on the defensive end. All this shows is that Grunfeld will continue to build this team with all offense no defense and nothing really has changed. Once Crittendon is fully developed..he still won't have the 10.56 lane acceleration to keep up with dwade..no matter how polished his jumpshop is....in lateral acceleration deaccleration...there is absolutely no way in the world crittendon could keep up going side ways against dwade...and dwade would absolutely shut him down because dwade will beat him to spot everytime.
This is why i started the Fire Grunfeld thread...he brings in undeveloped players who have below average raw defensive attributes and thinks that they will magically gain these defensive attributes with the right defensive scheme. Your diamond in teh rough is the guy who has 10.60 lane agility but can't hit a jumpshot. You teach him how to hit a jumpshot and his value jumps tremendously because he has teh tools to also be a defensive all star. You don't go out and get a slow footed guy that has to back up your slow lateral acceleration super star point guard. We would have been better off keeping the pick which might have given us a chance to get an elite pg defender.
all about one on defending the perimeter. Crittendon had horrible lateral acceleration coming into this league...worse the nick and dmac...who have 11.00 and 10.95 respectively. Getting Crittendon was a poor deal by Grunfeld unless he felt he could dramatically a plan for dramatically improving Crittendon poor lateral acceleration...need to stop dribble penetration and to make up for his poor wingspan. I pray the wizards have a world class agility improve person under the organization or this show poor lack of planning and long term personnel moves from grunfeld. If you are going to get a young player who doesn't have alot experience, at least make sure that he has defensive gifts that you can't teach...and has the defensive talents that this team so sorely lacks with arenas. If this guy does blow up stat wise, you want to make sure that he is an allstar in the categories that aren't included in stats such as preventing easy dribble penetration against elite guards, not getting called for blocking charges..things that are super important defensively yet dont' get rewarded on the payscale, getting beat of the dribble and forcing your big to foul. All he did was bring in an poor man's gilbert arenas with just as horrible defensive perimeter gifts.
Again i repeat, I hope we have a world class train..on same level as hoopla...to improve crittendon overall defensive value. Otherwise, all we are is investing in a player that won't have the perimeter shut down skills we need from our back up point to cover arenas poor perimeter deficiencies. Grunfeld went out an got us another caron butler. A guy who if he blossom will be an poor man gilbert arenas...which adds nothing to team...when the team needed a poor mans--"fill in with top defensive point guard in the league". Grunfeld...get us a pg with lateral acceleration that is similear to the top defensive point guard in the league...so that when we develop him, he will have the traits that we can't teach him!

[doclinkin]

Right because clearly Derrick Rose will be a terribly un-athletic player unsuited to defend pointguards with his 11.69 lane agility score. Ditto Ramon Sessions, Mike Conley Jr, Rodney Stuckey, etc... And why Jamison Brewer clearly must be the best PG in the past 10 years.

WzDy you really put WWWAAAAAYYY too much stock in the one-time recorded measurements of players early in their pre-pro career. These measures are notoriously unreliable, especially the timing and athletic measures, scouts and talent evaluators don't really trust 'em. There's a reason why every team re-measures/re-tests the guys they have in for workouts. And the fact is many guys who test quick do so only after months of working with a draft skills expert. In a way what you want is the guy who shows raw athletic ability without having drilled in the esoteric workout 'skills', that's the guy who has room to improve.

JCrit is an eh okay defender, but facts are facts, the guy is clearly bowlegged. Nothing else matters.

[Wizards2Lottery]

This guy cannot be serious. I'm keeping the hope alive that WizDynasty is kidding about half the stuff he says because it's absolutely ridiculous.

Lateral acceleration, deacceleration, bow legged, straight leg, big head, small head, WTF dude seriously, if you know so much why don't you apply for an NBA scout job.

[fishercob]

This guy cannot be serious. I'm keeping the hope alive that WizDynasty is kidding about half the stuff he says because it's absolutely ridiculous.

Lateral acceleration, deacceleration, bow legged, straight leg, big head, small head, WTF dude seriously, if you know so much why don't you apply for an NBA scout job.

For the record, the word is deceleration, not "deacceleration." Reading is FUNdamental, people.

[LyricalRico]

Doc - I think you said it once that when Ernie wants something done, he gets it done quicker. It seems like other teams take a week or two to complete a three team deal, and it only took him a day and a half, and I say that, because again, if something was brewing, AD would not have played last night.

Can't imagine what this team would look like now considering all the moves and potential moves he might have made.

I still think he's not done. Would not be surprised if he trades Etan and a pick for expiring contracts.

Co-sign.

[yungal07]

I got this from another thread but i definitely think it applies here.

While wer'e discussing his heft and girth and physiology. JCritical has the kind of frame that can actually put on more muscle to get DWade strong. If we end up with a hardass defensive coach with a gritty mentality I can see him driving Critter to condition up and build lean power. Right now it seems like he's getting by on raw talent, but hasn't scratched the surface of his eventual strength. Wish we had a real conditioning team.

Cut the bowlegged. Comparing him to dwade is laughable at best. Dwade has super star lateral acceleration deacceleration coming into the league...check this out...dwade lateral acceleration according to draft express=10.56...absoluletly amazing...
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... os=0&sort=
javaris crittenton..is a full second slower...i didn't stutter...crittenton is a full second slower than dwade
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... os=1&sort=
If you are going to go out and get a raw talent..get us one with unteachable attributes that are similar to a super star on the defensive end. All this shows is that Grunfeld will continue to build this team with all offense no defense and nothing really has changed. Once Crittendon is fully developed..he still won't have the 10.56 lane acceleration to keep up with dwade..no matter how polished his jumpshop is....in lateral acceleration deaccleration...there is absolutely no way in the world crittendon could keep up going side ways against dwade...and dwade would absolutely shut him down because dwade will beat him to spot everytime.
This is why i started the Fire Grunfeld thread...he brings in undeveloped players who have below average raw defensive attributes and thinks that they will magically gain these defensive attributes with the right defensive scheme. Your diamond in teh rough is the guy who has 10.60 lane agility but can't hit a jumpshot. You teach him how to hit a jumpshot and his value jumps tremendously because he has teh tools to also be a defensive all star. You don't go out and get a slow footed guy that has to back up your slow lateral acceleration super star point guard. We would have been better off keeping the pick which might have given us a chance to get an elite pg defender.
all about one on defending the perimeter. Crittendon had horrible lateral acceleration coming into this league...worse the nick and dmac...who have 11.00 and 10.95 respectively. Getting Crittendon was a poor deal by Grunfeld unless he felt he could dramatically a plan for dramatically improving Crittendon poor lateral acceleration...need to stop dribble penetration and to make up for his poor wingspan. I pray the wizards have a world class agility improve person under the organization or this show poor lack of planning and long term personnel moves from grunfeld. If you are going to get a young player who doesn't have alot experience, at least make sure that he has defensive gifts that you can't teach...and has the defensive talents that this team so sorely lacks with arenas. If this guy does blow up stat wise, you want to make sure that he is an allstar in the categories that aren't included in stats such as preventing easy dribble penetration against elite guards, not getting called for blocking charges..things that are super important defensively yet dont' get rewarded on the payscale, getting beat of the dribble and forcing your big to foul. All he did was bring in an poor man's gilbert arenas with just as horrible defensive perimeter gifts.
Again i repeat, I hope we have a world class train..on same level as hoopla...to improve crittendon overall defensive value. Otherwise, all we are is investing in a player that won't have the perimeter shut down skills we need from our back up point to cover arenas poor perimeter deficiencies. Grunfeld went out an got us another caron butler. A guy who if he blossom will be an poor man gilbert arenas...which adds nothing to team...when the team needed a poor mans--"fill in with top defensive point guard in the league". Grunfeld...get us a pg with lateral acceleration that is similear to the top defensive point guard in the league...so that when we develop him, he will have the traits that we can't teach him![/quote]

[WizarDynasty]

another embarrassing loss..looks like once again ernie's failed plan of trading in talented offensive players with below average defense has failed again. 120-90 If gilbert was here, they would have probably scored 140pts. In Ernie we trust!!!

What's ernie's normal trend..we bring in a player with an above average "man on man" offensive Ceiling ---and that same player for some reason also has a Below average "man on man" defensive ceilings..and ernie likes to build team around these types of individuals.
Arenas--great offensive one one one. Way below average one on one defender guarding point guards on perimeter.
Jamison--great offensisve one on one player. Way below average one on defender guarding powerforwards/Smallforwards-perimeter/post.
Caron Butler-great offensive one on one player going against s/f. Below average man on man defender guarding s/f out on the perimeter.

-He lets go our best man on man perimeter defender in jeffries--and replaces him wit stevenson--a player with a average to below average man on man defender due to his non shotblocking poor wingspan.

Why he is still here--Blatche--above average ceiling on both man to man offense and man to man defense
Young-above average ceiling on both man to man offense AND man to man defense.
Javale--jury is still out...but show potential to be above average in both categories.
Only time with tell if Grunfeld has learned from his errors in terms of constructing a balanced championship team longterm wise.
Getting a starting above average man on man defender--one that at least has a above average CEILING can defend both a jumpshop-(blocking a shot-wingspan-6inch plus height)--(and stopping teh drive--lane agility--under 11.00s second from draftexpress measurement history)--

[XsamhainX_999]

another embarrassing loss..looks like once again ernie's failed plan of trading in talented offensive players with below average defense has failed again. 120-90 If gilbert was here, they would have probably scored 140pts. In Ernie we trust!!!

I'm sorry but you must be a fake poster because your posts are an absolute joke.

Even a team completely comprised of "defensive specialists" would fail when they don't know where to stand or what ground to cover on the court. True defense is team defense. It starts with the coach & the system he teaches. Grunfeld tried to bring in arguably the best defensive coach in the league when hired Tom Thibodeau, but after one meeting with EJ, Thibs ran off. What a coincidence.

Luckily for us Thibodeau will be hired in the offseason, we'll hopefully get a top pick to either trade or use on a stud, & our vets will return healthy (Arenas & Haywood). If the team fails after then I'd understand that people would call for EG's head. Until that happens though, I'll stick with the guy who has a history of putting together winning teams.

[LyricalRico]

Even a team completely comprised of "defensive specialists" would fail when they don't know where to stand or what ground to cover on the court. True defense is team defense. It starts with the coach & the system he teaches.

Exactly. I was watching guys like Big Baby Davis and Eddie House completely shutting our guys down and Ray friggin' Allen taking charges. They aren't defensive specialists by any means. But they have been conditioned by their team to do things a certain way. The Wizards organization does not do that and so we get the results we've been getting for the last 5-6 years.

Now that EFJ is gone, Grunfeld should be able to bring in somebody who will make that happen. I just hope it's not too late for some of the guys to break their bad habits.

[cavsfan_osiris]

Thibodeau will be a great hire for the Wiz, but I think the transition could be rough with all the offensive first players on this roster.

I'm not sure if Nick Young and Agent Zero have the right mentality to appreciate a defensive first approach. Butler should be fine, but Jamison doesn't have the physical ability to be a good defender. There will have to be a complete overhaul of the roster.

[LyricalRico]

Thibodeau will be a great hire for the Wiz, but I think the transition could be rough with all the offensive first players on this roster.

I'm not sure if Nick Young and Agent Zero have the right mentality to appreciate a defensive first approach. Butler should be fine, but Jamison doesn't have the physical ability to be a good defender. There will have to be a complete overhaul of the roster.

That's a common sentiment from Wiz fans and outsiders alike but I don't believe that you have to bring in an entirely new roster for this team to improve defensively. Maybe we just have different expectations for what this team could/should be defensively.

I'm not talking about making them the Chicago Bulls of the 1990's or the current San Antonio Spurs. IMO if they could just be an AVERAGE defensive them they could then ride their offensive capapbility deep into the playoffs. With a healthy Brendan Haywood and some simple yet effective defensive principles there's no reason why this couldn't be an average defensive team.

And the problem goes MUCH deeper than having guys who aren't defensive minded players. Even quality defenders would still be out of position most of the time if they followed our non-sensical switching schemes and double teamed non-scoring threats with reckless abandon like the Wizards do. Those are failures in strategy, not in ability.

The Dallas Mavericks were able to take much the same roster that was defensively laughable under Nellie and become a Top 10 defensive team under a different coach. And that's WITH the likes of Dirk Nowitzki, Jerry Stackhouse, and Jason Terry playing major minutes. You're telling me that those guys are better defenders than who we have? I have no doubt that the Wizards could make a similar leap if they only had competent leadership to do so.

[WizarDynasty]

another embarrassing loss..looks like once again ernie's failed plan of trading in talented offensive players with below average defense has failed again. 120-90 If gilbert was here, they would have probably scored 140pts. In Ernie we trust!!!

I'm sorry but you must be a fake poster because your posts are an absolute joke.

Even a team completely comprised of "defensive specialists" would fail when they don't know where to stand or what ground to cover on the court. True defense is team defense. It starts with the coach & the system he teaches. Grunfeld tried to bring in arguably the best defensive coach in the league when hired Tom Thibodeau, but after one meeting with EJ, Thibs ran off. What a coincidence.

Luckily for us Thibodeau will be hired in the offseason, we'll hopefully get a top pick to either trade or use on a stud, & our vets will return healthy (Arenas & Haywood). If the team fails after then I'd understand that people would call for EG's head. Until that happens though, I'll stick with the guy who has a history of putting together winning teams.

that is definitely great news. I hope thib. picks a player who has at least an above average ceiling on both man ot man offense and man to man defense. Keyword- man to man defense potential (ability to block the both jumpshot and beat his man to a spot on the drive-does the player have the physical attributes to perform both at his respective position in the playoffs?) Its easy to figure out which players are not even average at this ability on our team.

[WizarDynasty]

another horrible loss to the lowly sixers...grunfeld has assembled the worst man on man defenders at every starting position in the nba. Can we have worse leader for this team?

[Kanyewest]

^^ It wouldn't be the worst if Brendan Haywood was healthy.

[WizarDynasty]

another poor defensive performance to the lowly Pacers...from the worst starting 4 man on man defenders (blatche is excluded)in the league. Each player add to this team by yours truly...Mr. Grunfeld. Round of applause everyone. Let's thank Mr. Grunfeld again for stocking our starting positions with the below average man to man defenders.

[yungal07]

[closg00]

The Wizards lack strong, athletic players, its painfully obvious.

[go'stags]

Or a coach who plays those strong, athletic players.

[closg00]

Or a coach who plays those strong, athletic players.

Who are you counting? I count exactly one player, D-Mac, the rest are mostly soft finesse guys, that's one the reasons we why suck so badly on D and rebounding.

Pech -Well-intended but hangs out on the perimeter
Blatche -Finesse softie who would rather lay it in than finish strong
McGee - Finesse big-man who can block/alter shots, but that's about it (for now)
Young - In-love with his fadeway

Let us not forget Veremeenko & PJR, the softies from the past. In his years as GM for the Wizards Ernie has picked exactly one defensive-minded player. I'm still waiting for him to gamble on a hard-nosed PF/SF second rounder, someone who can play and finish above-the-rim. So-far, all of his chips have been stacked on finesse big-men. Balancing the books and managing trades is not enough IMO.