OT: Jason Richardson traded to Phoenix

[Dogen]

Put me in the "rising Suns" catagory. I like this trade for PHX, and if Porter can get them to commit to defense by the all-star break, they have a shot to make it to WCF or beyond.

[Tricky Ricky]

Charlotte pulled a Chris Wallace

[Prophet_C]

This trade was done to appease LB.

[campybatman]

Talk on the Phoenix board is they've an interest in trading for Cassell as a possible solution for a veteran back up point guard.

I would do a Cassell in exchange for Matt Barnes straight up. I believe that works contract wise but the Trade Checker says Cassell can't be traded until the twenty-third.



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[sully00]

Augustin - PG
Bell - SG
Wallace - SF
Diaw - PF
Okafor - C

That team would have trouble shooting 50% in pregame warm ups.

Funny seeing how everyone of them has an eFG% well over 50% outside of Wallace who is simply shooting too many 3's and has proven to be a very effective from the field in the past.

As for the Suns

SF: Grant Hill
PF: Amare
C: O'Neil
SG: Richarson
PG: Nash

That line up is about as bad defensively as any team ever put on a basketball court whether they use Barnes or Hill. Not a stopper or help defender on the floor. Kobe is laughing his ass off.

[Celtics_Champs]

Agree completely with those that had harsh words on jordan. He is terrible in the front office.

[Collinto]

Raja Bell would have been a nice addition to the C's, IMO.

For a team like the Bobcats, not so much.

[Willie Beamen]

J Rich is also often injured so you can't really count on him. I really don't like the deal from a Sun standpoint. Looks like they are trying to look for a short fix.

[I love heinsohn]

SF: Grant Hill
PF: Amare
C: O'Neil
SG: Richarson
PG: Nash

Ladies and gentleman... your 2005 NBA All Stars!

[threrf23]

As a semi-side note to this discussion, I haven't been following the Bobcats closely, and looking over stats and game logs and such, DJ Augustin looks like he is the real deal. Currently he would be one of the best three point shooters in the league, and a pretty respectable assist man for a rookie PG on an iffy team that just turned 21. In November he went for 25 (on 11 shots) and 11 assists in a win versus the Sixers, last night versus the Hornets 28/7 with 4 steals and 4-4 from long range. Since November 20th, he is shooting 56% from long range while averaging close to 5 3 pt attempts per game and getting to the line at least a few times every game it seems. You'd think he would be benefitting from the defensive attention paid to J-Rich, but a lot of his minutes have actually come without J-Rich in the game.

So I guess that makes this trade make more sense for Charlotte. They want the ball in DJ's hands more often and Bell/Diaw make suitable role players.

Re: the Suns defense - Raja Bell wasn't that great of a defender (and was getting older) and J-Rich isn't that poor of a defender. Bell was an underrated defensive role player early in his career but then became overrated in my opinion. I think Diaw's a bigger loss on the defensive end (and on/off court stats reflect this), but he wasn't in the starting lineup anyway. The Suns don't have great defensive personnel, but Shaq has been looking better when he plays, Amare won't get worse, and they don't really have any flat out defensive liabilities.

[Pogue Mahone]

Charlotte pulled a Chris Wallace

I don't think so. At worst it was a wash, imo. Right now, I have to think that Charlotte is on top with this trade. The future 2nd RD'er is similar to cash considerations or a player to be named in baseball.

I found it kind of interesting that, as of today, here is where each player stands in the trade as rated by TEN+:

CHA:
TEN+ / Player / Fair$
102 Jason Richardson $7.858M
_77 Jared Dudley $2.888M

PHX:
TEN+ / Player / Fair$
101 Boris Diaw $5.313M
_70 Raja Bell $3.084M
(_80 Sean Singletary $2.600M) SSS - Estimated at 15 mpg over a full season

I think what you are going to see happen is that Diaw is an improvement on Dudley from Charlotte's perspective and Richardson is an upgrade over Bell for Phoenix. Essentially, each team has basically re-arranged the seating arrangement on their depth chart.

Charlotte has Matt Carroll, who, when given steady minutes and no Jason Richardson on the floor, has shown himself to be a very good outside shooter. Perhaps lacking the overall individual talent of J-Rich, he is a better overall player because of his ability to play with and off of teammates. J-Rich knows how to play for J-Rich. Additionally, Felton can play some SG in some match-ups.

Furthermore, I actually like Singletary. Sure, he is a bit undersized but he has strength and moderately long arms to help make up for some of the height deficiency. He is also extremely quick, fast in the open-court and he can stroke it from deep. His main drawback that he needs to overcome is his ability to convert inside the arc. Once he gets that, he will be an extremely valuable, change of pace, backup point guard. What's more is that Singletary won't be the defensive sieve that most backups tend to be.

[GuyClinch]

Never trade quantity for quality. But your own 'fair salary" number Richardson is the best. So it's a bad deal. Though I think your statistic punishes shot creator/ball handler/high usage guys like J. Rich. He is even better then that statistic shows us..

Pete

[grantlongforpresident]

I have to chime in on this one. Phoenix wins the trade easily. Richardson is the best player in the trade. Diaw is somewhat overpaid and somewhat overrated. Bell is somewhat on the decline. As GuyClinch said... Quantity for Quality is the way to go, not the reverse. (See the KG trade)

No brainer.

[campybatman]

Again, Ainge should inquire about Felton. I don't think the Bobcats will sign him to an extension.

[Pogue Mahone]

Never trade quantity for quality. But your own 'fair salary" number Richardson is the best. So it's a bad deal. Though I think your statistic punishes shot creator/ball handler/high usage guys like J. Rich. He is even better then that statistic shows us..

Pete

Conversely, someone could just as easily say, "Never trade big for small."

The trade is essentially a wash but if you have to choose, I think you have to say Charlotte got the better of the deal. Diaw can defend three different positions at a high-level and could defend all five in a pinch. He is a facilitator, offensively. I think you are underrating his ability to get teammates quality shots, his man and help defense and his overall contributions to a team.

As far as my system, it's the same problem that always arises when comparing high-usage players and low-usage players. Off-the-ball, Richardson is close to a non-factor. Sure, Richardson does provide value, I am not saying he doesn't. I am only stating that his level of impact is mainly tied into offense (something Phoenix doesn't have trouble with, btw.) Remember, in my system, Fair$ is essentially 2/3rds offensive contribution and 1/3rd defense/intangibles.

For instance, Richardson used ~24 possessions per40 minutes with Charlotte. Diaw used ~15.3 possessions per 40. Assuming both players were used at the same pace, those possessions don't disappear. They are redistributed among teammates.

While it's true that some players experience a drop in efficiency under higher usage, the inverse is also true; players who are normally higher usage and forced to play at lower usage rates tend to experience a drop in efficiency. Up until the trade, Charlotte was struggling offensively because they had too many high-to-moderate usage players. Furthermore, despite Richardson's decent TS% (at least for the amount of possessions he was using) the team was only ~2.50 points per 100 possessions, offensively, better with him on the floor. Charlotte was top-10 defense worthy when Richardson wasn't in the game.

I am convinced that Charlotte will be better off after this trade.

[Spin Move]

As someone who live in phoenix I love the deal for the suns, Diaw was not working in Porters system, Bell has lost half a step and richardson is a big upgrade, this gives our young bigs more time to play and improves us at the 2 spot, I like it.

[Rich]

Good deal for the Suns.

[campybatman]

As long as Nash is healthy, it's a good deal. Because Nash is one of the few true point guards that as long as you're a viable option. He can make you look even better like Kidd.