SIC RANTS (Merged)

[G_MoNeY]

did you really have to tell me my own site?

LOL

[vincecarter4pres]

did you really have to tell me my own site?

LOL

I was just promoting the product.....

Edit:
Peep the location?

[Revolutionistt]

Im sorry but for real whats the big deal about Jerry Sloan and being in the same spot for 20 years??? I mean doesnt that make him look worse since hes never won anything after being there for so long?

Are you comparing Frank to Sloan?

Sloan is a very good coach that isnt starstruck. He is a hard nose coach that has a system. Defense first. Bottomline. Whatever players he gets, that is the game plan. FRANK still doesnt know the Identity of this team. He never knows. Never will.

no not at all, i just saw his name on the list and i kind of went off topic. id rather have my girlfriends dog coaching the nets over lawrence frank.

[crazykidd2k6]

Wow... You can't be blaming Frank everytime the Nets loose.... It's not always his fault. Think about it, they played Al harrington at the center position how the hell will brook gaurd him? Harrington is too fast for him and if brook sags off, he will just shoot a perimeter shot. It's a complete mismatch and we have the disadvantage.

Even if they did what you were saying about controlling the tempo of the game....We still would've had trouble because from what I remember brook got 2 turnover from passing out the paint because of a double team in the first half. Even if we play zone so brook don't have to guard Harrington, all they are going to do is drive and kick until someone is wide open. Not to mention they were hitting both Harrington and Thomas were hitting there shots AND they were BOTH hitting there 3s playing the 4 and 5 position which is incredibly hard to guard at that position.

PLUS! the game was close until the last 5 minutes. We were exchanging shot by shots. We just ran out of fuel and the knicks kept on going. You have to face it we didn't have a chance on this one when when both Tim and AL are on fire. SO IT IS NOT FRANK'S FAULT

I bet if lee didn't get injured we would've had the victory because we could've played brook.

[G_MoNeY]

crazykidd, you force teams to match YOUR style of play. Frank played right into the hands of what D'Antoni was doing. Imagine Al trying to guard Brook on the block.

[crazykidd2k6]

crazykidd, you force teams to match YOUR style of play. Frank played right into the hands of what D'Antoni was doing. Imagine Al trying to guard Brook on the block.

It's still not going to work because Al was hitting all of his shots it wasn't only him as well they had Tim on fire

[lurkingobeiscity]

Wow... You can't be blaming Frank everytime the Nets loose.... It's not always his fault. Think about it, they played Al harrington at the center position how the hell will brook gaurd him? Harrington is too fast for him and if brook sags off, he will just shoot a perimeter shot. It's a complete mismatch and we have the disadvantage.

You can't blame Frank for every loss or say every win is in spite of him. Like any coach he has his good moments, but you can evaluate the job he has done.

His best move was installing the dribble drive and giving Devin Harris free reign while urging him to be aggressive. He has done a terrible job with this team's defense (though Yi does give him a huge obstacle... on the other hand Lopez gives him a fantastic building block). His preparation and commitment are great. He is awful at in-game adjustments and substitutions. I don't think he and his staff show enough faith and reliance on the young players. Instead he seems to cling to his star players and hope they can be great enough to get a win.

Specific gripes: He takes Anderson out too fast on the few occasions when he has been on a roll. He always tries to match up to the other team instead of forcing them to match up to his team. He lets Yi wander along the perimeter too much on offense.

With your example for the Knicks having Harrington at center... of course Brook can't guard him, but that doesn't mean he can't play. Put Brook in the middle of a 2-3 zone and over extend the other players to guard the jumpshot. The Knicks had a lot of trouble with the zone early in the game (when Brook got 4 blocked shots) and it could have quite possibly worked again if the Nets went back to funneling drivers to Lopez, not to mention the benefit the offense would have received with a bonafide post player drawing some attention away from Vince and Harris.

Frank isn't the worst coach possible but that isn't the point. His act is wearing thin with me. I'm not judging the team by its record or performance (or else I would be happy) but rather by the improvement they show. It's not enough.

[S.I.C. GM]

Crazy Kidd,

As for blaming Frank only on loses, If you visit this board often, I, SIC, blame him for both. I pick apart the wins too. Frank just isnt the right coach for this team. He is mediocre. He would make a great Ast. Coach because of his hard work between games but he sucks in game.

I agree with everything Lurking and G-$.

Revolutionistt, the geico lizard would do a better job then Frank.

[NetsForce]

Frank is my friend =(

[crazykidd2k6]

lurkingobeiscity All of your points are great however, I still dont think the 2-3 zone would've not work even if you extend the swingmen on the perimeter. It's still going to be 5(knicks) Vs 4(nets). Then Diantoni would've done the drive and kick strategy until somebody is wide open at the perimeter. It would've work too since the nets does alot of help defense.

As for Frank I think he is still doing a fine job with the substitution this year. He doesn't really let anyone play over 30 minutes accept DH and VC. Which is the right move since the rest of our players can't really start at the nba level accept maybe for Brook. I think he is actually showing enough faith for our young players as well. He is giving all of our young players minutes. You have to remember we have a great young talent that actually deserves to play the problem is we have too many and we have to split everyone minutes in order for them to get better for the next few years.

As for his in-game adjustments I 100% agree with you. He is horrible at that part of coaching however, I do understand why. He never played NBA basketball AND he is I think the 2nd youngest coach in the Nba. Yeah you can say he has been coaching for 6 years and that is a long time but if you never really experience playing in the level of the nba, your going to have a real hard time on what to do. But i have enough believe in him to learn after all he is a hard worker.

I am not saying Frank is a good coach i'm just saying he is a better coach than you put him out to be. I actually think he is better than half of the coaches in the nba. You have to give him some props. I do believe he still needs like a mentor so he can learn more. if we can somehow have 2 coaches that would be great.

[vincecarter4pres]

So crazykidd2k6, basically what you're saying is the Knix are an unbeatable juggernaut and no matter what we did or any other teams do to defend him, for that matter, they cannot be stopped.

They will go 48-12 to end the season, taking the league by storm and take the #2 seed in the East, going all the way to the finals where they will destroy the Lakers.

I got that about right, right?

[crazykidd2k6]

So crazykidd2k6, basically what you're saying is the Knix are an unbeatable juggernaut and no matter what we did or any other teams do to defend him, for that matter, they cannot be stopped.

They will go 48-12 to end the season, taking the league by storm and take the #2 seed in the East, going all the way to the finals where they will destroy the Lakers.

I got that about right, right?

Where the hell did you get that from? Did you even read my post? Everyone in here is criticizing Frank that night but he actually did the right thing in the 4th quarter. Why would you put Brook in when all of there players are lighting it up downtown? You have to put a body on all of the players and play tight coverage that's the best thing you can do to defend that situation. You cannot play zone in that situation somebody will get open. especially in the Diantoni system they play a high uptempo offense so they will keep on shooting 3s.

Even if you put in brook and keep exchanging shots with harrington. Harrington would've still won. He was hitting everything. Yes brook would've overpowered harrington but its not like he has amazing low post skills with a great passing ability if he needs to pass out, he is a rookie that has some good talent that still needs to learn ALOT. You cannot make him the number one scorer when it was such a close game.

Did you ever play basketball? This is not rocket science. It is only common sense

[jerseyjac]

Wow... You can't be blaming Frank everytime the Nets loose.... It's not always his fault. Think about it, they played Al harrington at the center position how the hell will brook gaurd him? Harrington is too fast for him and if brook sags off, he will just shoot a perimeter shot. It's a complete mismatch and we have the disadvantage.

You can't blame Frank for every loss or say every win is in spite of him. Like any coach he has his good moments, but you can evaluate the job he has done.

His best move was installing the dribble drive and giving Devin Harris free reign while urging him to be aggressive. He has done a terrible job with this team's defense (though Yi does give him a huge obstacle... on the other hand Lopez gives him a fantastic building block). His preparation and commitment are great. He is awful at in-game adjustments and substitutions. I don't think he and his staff show enough faith and reliance on the young players. Instead he seems to cling to his star players and hope they can be great enough to get a win.

Specific gripes: He takes Anderson out too fast on the few occasions when he has been on a roll. He always tries to match up to the other team instead of forcing them to match up to his team. He lets Yi wander along the perimeter too much on offense.

With your example for the Knicks having Harrington at center... of course Brook can't guard him, but that doesn't mean he can't play. Put Brook in the middle of a 2-3 zone and over extend the other players to guard the jumpshot. The Knicks had a lot of trouble with the zone early in the game (when Brook got 4 blocked shots) and it could have quite possibly worked again if the Nets went back to funneling drivers to Lopez, not to mention the benefit the offense would have received with a bonafide post player drawing some attention away from Vince and Harris.

Frank isn't the worst coach possible but that isn't the point. His act is wearing thin with me. I'm not judging the team by its record or performance (or else I would be happy) but rather by the improvement they show. It's not enough.

well said all around...I wonder sometimes how much say Frank's asst. coaches have with rotations and in game adjustments...I absolutely cannot stand how Frank has to play the matchup game...its a ridiculous mindset or mentality as a NBA coach...you always go with what works best for you, and if a team is causing mismatches on the off. end, there is no reason why you cant do the same to the opposition...

the Nets just havent responded well defensively...there seems to be a lack of responsibility...and it gets more diffiult to watch how lackadasical we can be w. our perimeter defense...

[S.I.C. GM]

After this win, I am even more PISSED AT FRANK.

Clearly there is a communication problem here. I dont know if it is the language barrier or what.

Why is Yi more aggressive when VC or Harris or Both are not in the lineup? Why does he consistently defer to them when they are especially in the beginning of the games? Why hasnt frank used or called the plays he called for Yi last night more often? Like Yi, why isnt FRANK calling plays for Lopez to Post up?

Yeah Harris and VC are better or the MAIN OPTIONS, but Frank has to change this.

The offense has to change. It should be F/C focused (Low Post focused more for LOPEZ). and have Harris and VC (still the STARS for now until VC is gone) be the Fourth Quarter Game Closers. Post Player (Lopez) always touches the ball. Have to have OPPOSING TEAMS DOUBLE DOWN. Only way to do that is to have Yi and Lopez guys sink or swim in the POST for Lopez and Yi doing everything. Once the Opposing teams have watched tape and realize the Yi and Lopez are now threats too. Doubles will come leaving SIMMONS, HAYES, DOOLING, CDR, and ANDERSON OPEN for 3 PTS.

FRANK HAS TO:
Have LOPEZ POST UP EVERY POSSESSION
Have Harris understand how he will have more open shots using the post and SO HE CAN STAY HEALTHIER
Have Harris post up Lopez earlier in the games
Have VC stop with the BS jump shots and continue the Two-Man game but more dealing with the Post
MAKE YI understand that he has to always be aggressive and stop looking over his shoulder to Harris and VC - SHOOT AND DRIVE and NOW POST UP
Have Yi in more line ups where he is the SECOND if not FIRST option
Have YI and LOPEZ post up and work on their passing out of the post
Have SIMMONS only shoot 3 pts even have him play the Two-Man game with Lopez in the post ala bowen and duncan

FRANK is making this more difficult then it should be. We finally have a F and C we have been waiting for years for. WHY NOT USE THEM!!!!

[6_Rings]

ur right. the best backcourt in the NBA is what is in the crosshairs of other teams right now. you guys should create more plays for ur frontcourt players in Yi/Lopez cuz they have the potential and have good chemistry together. It's best to exploit this early this season.

[Preludepunk27]

I think Yi matches up really well against the front court players the Kings have. His height allows him to post up (which Frank doesn't seem to want him to do for some reason) against the smaller guys on the kings and his athleticism allows him to pull a true sized big man out of the paint and take him off the dribble.

I think if we made the amount of touches Yi and Lopez get closer to equaling the amount Devin and Vince get, we'll keep our backcourt fresher down the stretch, especially late in the season. Hell, it may take enough pressure off Vince that he'll be able to be productive through this entire contract he has.

Regardless, I love Yi. The kid is an enigma, but sometimes I think Frank holds him back. He's young so he'll be inconsistent and that's expected, but I just feel there are other factors not helping his cause as well.

[S.I.C. GM]

I think Yi matches up really well against the front court players the Kings have. His height allows him to post up (which Frank doesn't seem to want him to do for some reason) against the smaller guys on the kings and his athleticism allows him to pull a true sized big man out of the paint and take him off the dribble.

I think if we made the amount of touches Yi and Lopez get closer to equaling the amount Devin and Vince get, we'll keep our backcourt fresher down the stretch, especially late in the season. Hell, it may take enough pressure off Vince that he'll be able to be productive through this entire contract he has.

Regardless, I love Yi. The kid is an enigma, but sometimes I think Frank holds him back. He's young so he'll be inconsistent and that's expected, but I just feel there are other factors not helping his cause as well.

I am happy you said this. FRANK is making a grave mistake by not letting the young guys learn now.

What happened to Anderson? Now that S. Will is in the D-league, Anderson is the new young guy that gets the raw end of the stick. Why did Hill play him when Frank got ejected then the next game Frank decides to use Najera? F the Najera BS. Anderson should play if his back isnt bothering him. Where is CDR? That is two games where we could have thrown him out there to see what he is made of defensively against Martin and Wade. Even if he got quick fouls, atleast he would have helped the starters get some rest.

[G_MoNeY]

I think Yi matches up really well against the front court players the Kings have. His height allows him to post up (which Frank doesn't seem to want him to do for some reason) against the smaller guys on the kings and his athleticism allows him to pull a true sized big man out of the paint and take him off the dribble.

I think if we made the amount of touches Yi and Lopez get closer to equaling the amount Devin and Vince get, we'll keep our backcourt fresher down the stretch, especially late in the season. Hell, it may take enough pressure off Vince that he'll be able to be productive through this entire contract he has.

Regardless, I love Yi. The kid is an enigma, but sometimes I think Frank holds him back. He's young so he'll be inconsistent and that's expected, but I just feel there are other factors not helping his cause as well.

I am happy you said this. FRANK is making a grave mistake by not letting the young guys learn now.

What happened to Anderson? Now that S. Will is in the D-league, Anderson is the new young guy that gets the raw end of the stick. Why did Hill play him when Frank got ejected then the next game Frank decides to use Najera? F the Najera BS. Anderson should play if his back isnt bothering him. Where is CDR? That is two games where we could have thrown him out there to see what he is made of defensively against Martin and Wade. Even if he got quick fouls, atleast he would have helped the starters get some rest.

agree 100%

[lurkingobeiscity]

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. You can't blame Frank for every little thing that happens no matter how much you want to. You do that and it ruins every accurate point you make.

I have been saying since the beginning of the season that Yi should be given more mid-post opportunities, so I agree with you that he has been held back somewhat by the coaching staff. Yi however needs to level off his confidence. If he hits a couple shots then he will keep shooting until he misses. If he misses a couple then he won't shoot for a long time.

Lopez is being given the ball more and more, but it is very obvious that he cannot be depended on as the teams top option at this point. He is having a lot of problems with defenses that are focusing on him, bringing the double once he puts the ball down. He is playing too slow and mechanical in the post. The coaching staff is undoubtedly working on this with him but force-feeding him the ball in the post is not the solution, as that would only increase his turnovers and lower his already dropping FG%. He needs more time before we can run the offense through him.

The plays designed for both Lopez and Yi have steadily increased lately, and they both have improved leaps and bounds defensively.

I love CDR, but he has been unimpressive and every bit as timid as Yi offensively, so I don't understand how people can be clamoring for him.

As much as some people don't want to admit it, Frank has actually done an excellent job the last 4 games or so, and he hasn't been nearly as bad as people have said over the whole year. Honestly no one should have expected us to be where we are right now. You have to give Frank credit for our 17/18 record (which yes I think is overachieving), Lopez's improvement, Devin's breakout year, improved substitution patters (though could still be a bit better), and other things that are probably slipping my mind. I've pointed out the guys problems before, but he has done some excellent things. Stop blindly blaming him for every problem the team has.

[G_MoNeY]

Wait a sec...What SIC is trying to say is Lopez should get more touches to create offense for others. Not force feed him the ball to shoot it. The more touches he gets, the more likely it'll require a double team or someone coming down from the wing. That leaves shooters open and creates better shots for us. I don't think he should get the ball on "every" possession; but he should definitely get the ball more. At times we play too one-dimensional, I think that's what SIC is trying to get at.

As far as Frank goes, I'm the biggest hater. Well SIC and I, probably. However, Frank got ejected the other game and look how the Nets came out in the 2nd half for Brian Hill. You can't give credit to Frank on that game, to me personally it seemed like the team rallied behind Hill - especially on the last second shot to win the game and how everyone went to Hill and celebrated WITH him. You don't see that with Frank, EVER. He insists on playing Najera over Anderson. CDR is glued to the bench as well. All of the minutes Harris and VC are logging will eventually come back to bite us. His substitution patterns are still AWFUL. Two consecutive possessions last game we got 1 of 2 free throws by Boone, while Sacramento scored at least 5 points on them. Idiotic coaching moves like that can cost the team some games, as evident in previous games/seasons where Frank looked lost. Frank and "excellent" shouldn't be in the same sentence.