Jason Richardson and Jared Dudley Appreciation Thread

Post #1 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:12 pm

Thanks guys. Although you weren't here long, it really felt like you both were part of the family and will be seriously missed.

Now, go get them rings.

W_HAMILTON · Post #2 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:35 pm

I'd rather lose with those two than win with Diaw and Bell. And it's not like Diaw or Bell are going to take us to the promised land anyway. At best, they will add just a few more wins than Richardson/Dudley would have, and most of those wins will come from the fact that Diaw can play PF. If they had found ANYONE to play PF for us, I'd take <random PF> + Richardson + Dudley over those Phoenix outcasts anyday.

How inept do you have to be to trade your best player to fill a positional need, then have that person that fills the need be Boris Diaw. Really? Really? Good God.

I don't like Phoenix, but I don't like a few of the other Western teams either, so at least they can take down the Lakers or somebody.

It's just pathetic.

Post #3 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:04 pm

The "Jason Richardson and Jared Dudley Appreciation Thread" W_Hamilton - not the "We Got The Rough End Of The Pineapple Thread"!!

Rich4114 · Post #4 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:08 pm

The part that I don't get about this is we were one of the worst scoring teams in the NBA so what do we do? TRADE OUR BEST SCORER. What the hell, why?

We weren't going anywhere this year, but J-Rich is the type of wing you feature on offense. We're certainly not getting very far with Diaw and Bell unless I'm completely wrong here.

fluffernutter · Post #5 » by **fluffernutter** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:14 pm

JRich - loved your improving FT shooting and Celtics-killing clutchness.

Dudley - loved your hustle, in-your-face defense, smart switches, reasonably good shooting, and endless hustle.

Post #6 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:27 pm

Rich4114 wrote:The part that I don't get about this is we were one of the worst scoring teams in the NBA so what do we do? TRADE OUR BEST SCORER. What the hell, why?

We weren't going anywhere this year, but J-Rich is the type of wing you feature on offense. We're certainly not getting very far with Diaw and Bell unless I'm completely wrong here.

Even though I reiterate in the post directly above yours that this is an appreciation thread?

Post #7 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:27 pm

fluffernutter wrote:JRich - loved your improving FT shooting and Celtics-killing clutchness.

Dudley - loved your hustle, in-your-face defense, smart switches, reasonably good shooting, and endless hustle.

Thanks Fluffer.

Post #8 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:33 pm

JYDudley--I had your back before you were even a Bobcat. Your personality, skill set and energy were unique to the team. Inevitably you'll play awesomely in Phoenix and gain the big ups that you deserve. Sad to see you leave.

Jrich- I'll always remember how I felt on the night of the 2008 NBA Draft once the trade was announced saying we acquired you and Davidson from GSW for Brandan Wright. This is easily the best single night in my Bobcat fan career. Of all the drafts we should've done over, I can't believe that this is the one the FO decided to scrap. You were incredibly fun to watch and it actually took your departure for me to realize you had become my favorite 'cat. You too will be earning much respect now that you're on a team with nationally televised games. I hope you get the championship that you deserve.

ohara · Post #9 » by **ohara** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:59 pm

J-Rich: Thank you for being a fun player to watch and for whom to cheer. You are a man of high character and a high flying game, and you will be missed by all Bobcat fans.

Dudley: Your all out enthusiasm and hustle never went unnoticed by the fans. That is why you became a fan favorite. Keep that hustle and you will succeed wherever you play.

Best of luck to both of you!

ohara · Post #10 » by **ohara** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:05 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:I'd rather lose with those two than win with Diaw and Bell.

Not me. I just want to see this team start to win. I wish J-Rich and Dudley all the luck and joy in the world, but I'll take whoever on the team as long as they help us win. We have lost enough. Now it's time to start winning. And this is the 2nd step in LB's mastermind plan to make us a winner. The first was Draft Night. The third will be the next trade. It will not happen overnight, but it will happen.

W_HAMILTON · Post #11 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:12 pm

Saying we got the rough end of the pineapple is appreciating them.

ohara wrote:Not me. I just want to see this team start to win. I wish J-Rich and Dudley all the luck and joy in the world, but I'll take whoever on the team as long as they help us win. We have lost enough. Now it's time to start winning. And this is the 2nd step in LB's mastermind plan to make us a winner. The first was Draft Night. The third will be the next trade. It will not happen overnight, but it will happen.

It's like the "what teams would you trade our team for?" thread that I didn't comment on, but thought about. I look around and see a lot of teams that are better than us, but not appreciably better. Or are better, but aren't going to win any championships anytime soon, and might not even get out of the first round. I look at some teams with their players, and just think, God, I wouldn't want to watch them. Maybe that comes from the fact that I am used to these players we have, and the fact they are "our" players, I don't know. But I do know that there are many teams that are "better" than us that I wouldn't trade our team for, because in the end, they are going no place either, and have undesirable parts as well. Getting Diaw and Bell just emphasizes that point for me. I don't like either player. I really don't like Diaw, and it sounds like Bell is basically over-the-hill and can't do what he is known for doing anyway. Why did we give up arguably our best player for that? Just for the sake of doing something? To appease an old coach that will stick around just long enough to screw up our team?

I highly doubt Diaw and Bell alone will make us much better than we would have been with Richardson, Dudley, and ANY freaking player that is seriously capable of being a starting PF in this league. I'd rather watch a 33-win team with Richardson and Dudley on it, than a 36 or 37 win with Diaw and Bell on it. And trading away Richardson takes away our explosiveness. Not in terms of athletic ability, but in the fact that he could go off and will us to win, almost on his own. His play could be the centerpiece in one day getting into the playoffs, and upsetting a higher seed. Is Bell going to do that for us? Hell no. Is Diaw? Unlikely either, at best he will just be a "solid" player who you know what to expect from. Richardson could take it to another level.

misterglover · Post #12 » by **misterglover** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:17 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote: I'd rather watch a 33-win team with Richardson and Dudley on it, than a 36 or 37 win with Diaw and Bell on it.

To me thats a silly statement....37 wins was probably all this team was destined to get even with JRich on it but to say you would rather have him than take a few more wins i dont understand, this guy was not a star and wasnt gonna lead us anywhere, good riddance...now lets get on with what I have been saying for 2 years and blow this whack ass team up and rebuild. But since this is an appreciation thread I will stick to the topic....

JRich...Ive never been a big fan of his but you are now in a position where i think you can & will succeed being a 3rd or 4th option on a good team. You gave me $$ worth many a night at the TWCA for that Im appreciative you were exciting to watch....

JYD...damn, damn, damn you are the reason Im shaky about this trade...your hustle, effort and basketball knowledge will definetly be missed....to me you & Crash style of play best imbodied what i envision Bobcats basketball being....

Good luck to both of you!!

W_HAMILTON · Post #13 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:58 pm

But Boris freaking Diaw and Raja Bell are going to lead us anywhere? Of course not.

If you are going to blow the team up, then blow it up. This wasn't a "blow up the team" move, this was a desperation move to appease a coach in the hopes he will be able to start winning. At least when we did that crap for Vincent, it didn't cost us our best player.

SteveMorrison15 · Post #14 » by **SteveMorrison15** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:58 pm

Thanks Guys!

Richardson I loved you kicking Bostons ass in Boston.

Dudley I love you pissing LeBron off.

Nothing I can say that no one else hasn't already. So this is one way I can say thanks.

First Herrmann, now Richardson and Dudley.

Stop making people fan favorites guys. ha

Post #15 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:17 am

The tuxedo picture with Davidson may never get old

SteveMorrison15 · Post #16 » by **SteveMorrison15** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:26 am

you guys can enjoy forever now

Post #17 » by **BigSlam** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:32 am

Jared Dudley is the type of kid I would like to drink lots and lots of beer with.

What a dude.

fluffernutter · Post #18 » by **fluffernutter** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:34 pm

W_HAMILTON wrote:I'd rather lose with those two than win with Diaw and Bell. And it's not like Diaw or Bell are going to take us to the promised land anyway.

Is it too much to ask that you be consistent? I guess so.

Aren't you the guy who does not follow "our" players when they go to other teams because you are all about "the team" not the players?

And now you are complaining about a trade that, if it results in more wins, still won't satisfy you (the contract / financial issues look to be a wash... actually we are a little more flexible now than with JRich I think)...because you apparently don't like the players traded for?

Jeez dude, man up. Face the facts. Swallow deep. Are you a fan of the Bobcats or are you going to retreat into your basement lair to whine because you don't want to "root" for Diaw?

I'm not asking you to root for Diaw. I'm asking you to root for the team. And if you don't want to root for the Bobcats any more, fine, I don't care. But at least be consistent, and don't stand there shaking your finger at some players who you probably don't know very well and might learn to like (if you give THE TEAM a chance, that is).

W_HAMILTON · Post #19 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:38 pm

Oh, I'm certainly consistent.

And unlike some other posters prone to emotional poetic outbursts, nowhere have I suggested I would abandon the team. But I do not like Diaw or Bell as players. And I especially don't like them considering what we had to give up.

As for getting a few more wins, I proposed the same sort of situation on one of Bonnell's blogs. If we traded Augustin for a player that could be a legit starter at PF (I'm not talking about some superstar PF, just a player who could hold his own and warrant being the starting PF), and any 'ole backup PG, it would have probably resulted in more wins as well. But does that mean it's a smart deal? Of course not.

While having the board emo tell me to "man up" is hurtful, I have never said that I would stop supporting the team, or any of the other stuff you imply. Roses are red, violets are blue, stop putting words into my mouth, you strawman creating foo'. Do you like it?

So, yes, I still would rather watch a 33-win team with Richardson/Dudley than a 37-win Diaw/Bell team. You know why? Because when we filled in the PF position, that 33-win Richardson team would skyrocket past the Diaw/Bell team. There is a lot better chance of us acquiring a decent PF than there is another All-Star caliber SG. Just because management is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and couldn't find a suitable PF all this time doesn't change that fact.

e4Nf6 · Post #20 » by **e4Nf6** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:00 pm

Wow! "Board Emo" and a free-styled poem. Sir, I disagree with what you say but I would fight to the death for your style of saying it....

I wouldn't really consider 37 wins "more" than 33 for practical purposes. 40 or 45 is clearly "more," but 37 is withing the margin or error.

I look forward to AKAB's response...