phi/mn trade idea

[skorff26]

On December 15
Minnesota out: mccants, more favorable of the 2nd's from miami
Philly out: jason smith, donyell marshall, phi 1st (lottery protected this year, top 10 in 2010, top 3 in 2011, unprotected 2012)

Why for MN? I don't think we'll keep mccants and this way we get a future asset (another 1st to try to move up into the top half of the first round), also next year smith could be useful
Why for Philly? They get a SG who can shoot and who will help them stretch the floor

[Krapinsky]

On December 15
Minnesota out: mccants, more favorable of the 2nd's from miami
Philly out: jason smith, donyell marshall, phi 1st (lottery protected this year, top 10 in 2010, top 3 in 2011, unprotected 2012)

Why for MN? I don't think we'll keep mccants and this way we get a future asset (another 1st to try to move up into the top half of the first round), also next year smith could be useful
Why for Philly? They get a SG who can shoot and who will help them stretch the floor

Alas, if only McCants could shoot.

I don't think McCants is going to net us anything more than a 2nd rounder at this point. He's probabyl worth more b/c of his expiring contract than for his talnet. I can't see Phili giving up a first for him.

[revprodeji]

we already have so many mid firsts. those are a lot of promised roster spots.

I have no issue moving mccants I just would rather package him with something for something better. not move him for lesser pieces.

[shrink]

I like it. Philly, with a PG that doesn't shoot three's, last in the league in 3P% last year, and adding Elton Brand -- they'd probably gamble on McCants reclaiming some of his old form, at least as a shooter. He looks bad now, but he was our #2 scorer last season, and he did it off the bench.

Philly didn't spend all that money on Elton Brand to be content with a sub-500 record. There are a lot of combinations we could do with PHI.

[4ho5ive]

I think alot of Philly fans are high on Smith. Plus McCants' value is in the toilet right now. There is no way they throw in a 1st, protected or not on such a high gamble.

Also, Dont we own one of their picks via Utah?

NVM, dyslexia kicking in.

[freshie2]

From a Philly perspective, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Smith showed promise last season, and had a good summer prior to tearing his ACL...I can't see him being moved for McCants.

I've read where Minny has chips to move in trades, but aside from Foye, Love, Jefferson, who on the roster is really attractive??

If you're looking for a match with Philly, Dalembert and Miller would seem to be the most likely to be moved (plus others as filler)...given their salary cap figures, it would probably take some quality players from Minnesota (Foye/Love/Miller) along with Cardinal to make the $$'s match (probably overpaying to make taking on Cardinal's contract acceptable). I don't think Minnesota would go for that, and I really don't see other deals that would be attractive enough for both clubs to make it happen.

[shrink]

I've read where Minny has chips to move in trades, but aside from Foye, Love, Jefferson, who on the roster is really attractive??

Four protected 1sts, several seconds, cap space, and the majority of the team is on good-to-great contracts ... the last part is something Philly can't claim.

[revprodeji]

If you're looking for a match with Philly, Dalembert given their salary cap figures, it would probably take some quality players from Minnesota (Foye/Love/Miller) along with Cardinal to make the $$'s match (probably overpaying to make taking on Cardinal's contract acceptable). I don't think Minnesota would go for that, and I really don't see other deals that would be attractive enough for both clubs to make it happen.

Four protected 1sts, several seconds, cap space, and the majority of the team is on good-to-great contracts ... the last part is something Philly can't claim.

Collins(exp)+McCants+Madsen (1yr)+Bos+Uta

for

Dally

Phily gets 2 mid/late 1st rd picks, they get 2 exp and 1 1 yr contract, they also get the shooter in McCants.

MN gets the defensive Vet center it has wanted. Just an idea. Far from perfect.

[shrink]

Dalembert, who looked lost on the court for four full years, seems to have regressed back to that state. Even so, in my opinion, last year's Dalembert would still struggle to be worth his contract .. $12 mil/year for three years. Besides the size of the deal, the third year just crushes the number of potential suitors.

I don't think Dalembert will be traded, but if he is, it won't be for all of that. If he was on a $8 mil deal for two years, teams would gamble on him returning to form, because the guy is a physical beast. However, he has one of the lowest BBIQ's in the league, and shows it. I think he has negative trade value right now, and at a minimum, you'd need to swap Collins for Cardinal, and remove one of the late 1sts.

[revprodeji]

Like I said, not perfect---but a foundation to talk about.

[shrink]

Like I said, not perfect---but a foundation to talk about.

I'm sorry -- I re-read my post, and I forgot to say that .. perhaps the most important thing!

You're absolutely right, Dalembert is the type of gamble that a team like us should really look at. We obviously need the help at center, and we have no guaranteed help coming for a while. His blocking and rebounding could help, and if he fails - hey -- we're not headed for the play-offs anyway.

I get too involved in price-tags, I think.

[4ho5ive]

From a Philly perspective, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Smith showed promise last season, and had a good summer prior to tearing his ACL...I can't see him being moved for McCants.

I've read where Minny has chips to move in trades, but aside from Foye, Love, Jefferson, who on the roster is really attractive??

If you're looking for a match with Philly, Dalembert and Miller would seem to be the most likely to be moved (plus others as filler)...given their salary cap figures, it would probably take some quality players from Minnesota (Foye/Love/Miller) along with Cardinal to make the $$'s match (probably overpaying to make taking on Cardinal's contract acceptable). I don't think Minnesota would go for that, and I really don't see other deals that would be attractive enough for both clubs to make it happen.

Really? Dalembert has value like that? Last i checked it wasnt value that was holding up trade proposals, but his contract that he has yet to earn.

[Phillyboy]

Trades have to make sense for both teams. You guys need a center we need a deadeye shooter.

Dalembert for Mike Miller works straight up. No picks. No fillers.

Before I hear that Dalembert isn't playing well I'll point out that he has the tools and a scenary change might be just what he needs. Given the situation he'd be going to I think Dalembert would be just fine next to Jefferson. And WE'RE the ones trading big for small.

If Philly offered this deal you should jump on it.

[4ho5ive]

Im not disputing that. Im disputing the fact that we would have to add one or more of our young talented core to make things square.

I like Dalembert, and nobody on Philly is playing that well right now. Maybe it is a change of scenery he needs. I wouldnt be against it at all.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I'd say Love is better than Dalembert overall, if not this year than for sure next year, and paying 8 figures to a part time starter or backup is a no-go

[shrink]

Trades have to make sense for both teams. You guys need a center we need a deadeye shooter.

Dalembert for Mike Miller works straight up. No picks. No fillers.

Before I hear that Dalembert isn't playing well I'll point out that he has the tools and a scenary change might be just what he needs. Given the situation he'd be going to I think Dalembert would be just fine next to Jefferson. And WE'RE the ones trading big for small.

If Philly offered this deal you should jump on it.

Blah. I'm not going to say he isn't playing well. I'm not going to even say he didn't play well for his first four full years in the NBA.

I'm going to say you don't trade a guy like Mike Miller, who seems to be desired by lots of contenders, for a guy with that crappy contract like Dalembert. Yeah, he's athletic, but how in the world do you invest #1 type money and a third year into that pile of uncertainty? Do you realize he's paid more than Al Jefferson?

[revprodeji]

the value difference in a mike miller compared to a dally is too obvious to mention. miller is our starter and 2nd or 3rd option. dally would fit nice but not for that value. what we can offer is a young shooter serious cap relief and a pick. more than enough for a guy playing less than 30 min.