WAS - MIN

[shrink]

I just wanted to get a few opinions on trading our $1.44 mil TPE to WAS for Pecherov + $1 mil cash.

The recent WAS-MEM deal may have put the wizards over the lux (I can't honestly tell .. its extremely close), and if they are over, it'll cost them an extra $2 mil-ish in lux penalties. OPech hasn't looked great, but he is a young, 1st round, big man prospect with an outside shot. The next two years would be guaranteed on a cheap rookie deal, so if he didn't work out, that's supposedly when we'll be bringing Perovic over.

We have the cap space, the TPE expires in a few months, and the $1.44 mil fits in with his $1.446 OPec contract (100% + $100,000). Lastly, with Collins gone next year, I'm not even sure we have a legit center, and if we don't find one in the draft, its more center minutes for Al. However, Pecherov would take up a roster spot. This year we could ask for cash to buy out Booth, but next season we'd have to be careful not to go over the 15-man limit with our picks.

Thoughts?

[Krapinsky]

I alwasy forget how the trade exceptions work. Can they be traded in conjunction with other players, i.e. can we package McCants with it? Can it be traded stright up for a pick? Or can it only be traded 1 for 1, i.e. TPE for Player X?

I love the way Shrink can drum up even the most inconsequential deals.

Admittedly, I recognized his name from being a prospect back in the day, but I had to look him up. (drafted in 2006). From what I could gather, I'm not sure if we benefit here. On the plus side Pecherov is 7ft and can shoot the 3. (think poor man's Bargnani) On the downside, he's already 23, is not a defender, and cannot get playing time on a team with a similar record as the Wolves (granted they have more depth at the 5). I'm wondering if this is a player that might just bring more headaches than solutions (there's only so much teaching time to go around). I would pass on this deal, but be open to similar deals with with other teams for a different player.

[B Calrissian]

Good trade. Washington has a ton of big men, Pecherov being the worst. I don't see why they wouldn't go for this.

[skorff26]

If it was our TE for pecherov I would say we decline and hold out for more

But if they gave us cash or future pick(s) (or maybe we could work out something where we could somehow take mcgee or young off there hands in a larger deal); i would do it then.

[4ho5ive]

I thought about this when the Trade Board first brought up the Critt to WAS rumors. I love the fact that he is on such a cheap deal. Sure the likelyhood that he ends up as regular are slim if at all, but I think it would be a great idea to pair a young Center, especially with one that wouldnt clog up Al's space.

Someone send an email to Mac quickly

"Dear Kevin McHale, the Wizards are currently in possession of a very tall, very white Center who happens to be a very good jump shooter."

[Klomp]

How about this from the trade board:

Wizards trade: Haywood, Stevenson,

Wolves trade: Miller, Collins

Why for the Wizards: They nab a much needed consistent shooter in Miller. They also get rid of a couple bad contracts.

Why for the Wolves: They get a very good center in Haywood. He's not a guy I want to trade at all, but with the emergence of McGee and Blatche, Haywood may be expendable.

Arenas/Critt
Miller/Young
Butler/DMac
Jamison/Songailia
Mcgee/Blatche

Foye
McCants
Gomes
Jefferson
Haywood

In the original, Mike James comes here, but I deleted that part.

[B Calrissian]

^Collins for Thomas sounds better to me. If Miller is going to the Wizards it should be in a package for Butler. This team needs a star wing.

[shrink]

Haywood is an interesting way to go, and one I haven't looked at too closely. You make a good point about McGee and Blatche, if they can continue to develop.

^Collins for Thomas sounds better to me. If Miller is going to the Wizards it should be in a package for Butler. This team needs a star wing.

Etan is a guy I've looked at pretty closely. WAS has been anxious to move him even before his heart surgery, because Etan and Haywood hate each other so much, there have been several fistfights in practice. WAS may be skimming the luxury threshold after their recent trade, but next season they are clearly over by about $5 mil, and their owner, Abe Pollin has been adamant about staying under the lux. The deal would save Pollin over $20 mil, and may increase their chemistry. Etan also has a trade kicker, that would make him cost an unsightly $7.5 mil this season, and over $8 mil next year. In other words, the benefits to WAS being able to find anyone willing to trade an expiring for Etan is so great, that we'd be able to ask for major talent to go with it.

Moreover, while substantially over-priced, Etan is the type of player that I think would fit well next to Al. He's gets inside, throws his body around, and hustles on defense. His lack of scoring is not going to hurt this team too much, and he's an upgrade over Collins. Like OPec, he'd provide security at the center position next year, when the cupboards are bare.

The extra compensation from WAS in a Collins - Etan swap would be more than a 1st. Late 1sts sell for $3 mil, and we're saving Pollin $20 next season (and perhaps getting him under the lux this year as well). The price tag could be as high as a 1st and one of their three young players (Javale McGee, Nick Young, or certainly Andray Blatche), and we'd probably include a 2nd and Calvin Booth.

Its certainly worth a look.

[B Calrissian]

How about Collins/McCants/Booth/Boston 1st for Thomas/Young/Pecherov/future 1st? The Wolves upgrade all three players and cut down on the amount of picks in this years draft while getting one in the future.

I would rather see McGee or to a lesser extent Blatche coming back over Young but with Jefferson/Love/Thomas/Smith there aren't any minutes. Didn't Blatche play some sf earlier in his career?

[C.lupus]

This is getting more intriguing now.

[4ho5ive]

As for the original idea. what about Marco Belineli? Doesnt get any burn with the W's and is really good at one thing, shooting, which we could use. Use McCants and a 2nd to get Hilton Armstrong.

Start Love with Jefferson, rotate Armstrong and Craigers as the bigs off the bench. Belineli and Carney can play 10-15 min more or less to try and up their value and see if they have a spot here.

Just a scenario....

[shrink]

I alwasy forget how the trade exceptions work. Can they be traded in conjunction with other players, i.e. can we package McCants with it? Can it be traded stright up for a pick? Or can it only be traded 1 for 1, i.e. TPE for Player X?

I love the way Shrink can drum up even the most inconsequential deals.

I'm the guy you'd hate to be cornered with at a party.

The idea behind TPE's is that when they are created, ithey are just place-holders to allow a team to complete the rest of the trade within one year. Therefore, they can't be combined with anything else, even another TPE. Since TPE's are the completion of the previous trade, they can bring in any player smaller than 100% + $100,000, rather than 125%. Practically though, you see both tof your goals get accomplished under the CBA through GM sleight-of-hand. For example, you couldn't combine our TPE with McCants, but you could do a deal where they are both traded simultaneously in two deals that match value as a whole .. but both deals must meet CBA requirements. If you wanted to trade a TPE for a pick, its is usually accomplished by the TPE being traded for a pick plus a player to be waived, plus the cash to buy that player out, equivalently accomplishing the same thing.