change roster with these two trades

sonic-ben · Post #1 » by **sonic-ben** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:49 pm

Nick Collison and San Antonios 2009 #1 for Dooling, Agers and Sean Williams

Nets do it for a veteran to bring stability of the young ones
Thunder do it for Sean Williams

Sene, Wilkens, J Smith for Brad Miller

Kings do it for a young defensive center to compliment Hawes
also J Smith and help tutor Jason Thompson

why Thunder... Brad Miller to tutor Petro, williams and Swift

line up

Westbrook
agers
Durant
Wilcox
Petro

Green
S Williams
weaver

brad miller coach/player
watson ... needs to be traded

just ... wasteing time

BadWolf · Post #2 » by **BadWolf** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:57 pm

Agers in the starting 5?

big L · Post #3 » by **big L** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:57 pm

Yeah, ...Agers isn't an NBA starter at any position.

First off, as soon as you throw in San Antonio's first round draft pick, I lose interest. I don't think Collison is that great or anything, but I'd rather role the dice on that pick than take Williams. Most Sonics fans think of that pick as some kind of godsend, so you'll have a hard time prying it away in general (I have an idea, though). As for Miller, how does this effect our salary cap flexibility? He has a huge contract... if I'm taking on a quality aging vet with diminishing returns, I was some serious cap space out of the deal and soon (2010). Plus at this point, I'm not sure anyone can teach our bigs anything.

I would rather do this, and I don't think anyone will like it much. Trade Wilcox and the SA pick to Golden State for Anthony Randolph and Anthony Morrow. Wilcox would play very well in Nellie's "system" and give them some cap space, too, at the end of the year. Randolph has a huge upside, can rebound for us right now, and gets no playing time in the Bay area. GS would also make some room in their crowded back court by moving Morrow (hey... they're the ones who already traded for Crawford!) and I think Morrow is simply the smoothest outside shooter to come along in a great while. In fact, I bet you GS turns this trade down.

sonic-ben · Post #4 » by **sonic-ben** » Mon Dec 1, 2008 11:47 pm

any one can post trades ... especially trades that will not happen

One must try to find a trade that the other team will do
But get the biggest pay out

big L · Post #5 » by **big L** » Tue Dec 2, 2008 3:10 am

^^^was this comment really necessary, Ben?

Post #6 » by **SD2042** » Fri Dec 5, 2008 9:05 am

Ben, check your PM.

rcg · Post #7 » by **rcg** » Fri Dec 5, 2008 8:52 pm

GSW would never make that trade for AR and AM. The players we have available are Belinelli and possibly Maggette. Either or both could help you at SG and we could use Wilcox and/or other big men on your roster. Mix in scrubs or picks, e.g. MWilliams from GSW. Something should fit.

BBen · Post #8 » by **BBen** » Fri Dec 5, 2008 9:12 pm

Hey Sonicben,

This trade is not only crazy, but OKC already possesses the Spur's 2009 unprotected first from the Kurt Thomas trade.

I hate the fact that a bunch of fans that don't even know that get to root for my former team.

Post #9 » by **wizkid27** » Fri Dec 5, 2008 9:35 pm

From the context of a couple of comments in reply, i took it to mean that OKC would be trading AWAY the spurs pick....

sonic-ben · Post #10 » by **sonic-ben** » Fri Dec 5, 2008 11:48 pm

sonic-ben wrote:Nick Collison and San Antonios 2009 #1 for Dooling, Agers and Sean Williams

corrected...

al least this is getting intersting

old rem · Post #11 » by **old rem** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:19 pm

big L wrote:Yeah, ...Agers isn't an NBA starter at any position.

First off, as soon as you throw in San Antonio's first round draft pick, I lose interest. I don't think Collison is that great or anything, but I'd rather role the dice on that pick than take Williams. Most Sonics fans think of that pick as some kind of godsend, so you'll have a hard time prying it away in general (I have an idea, though). As for Miller, how does this effect our salary cap flexibility? He has a huge contract... if I'm taking on a quality aging vet with diminishing returns, I was some serious cap space out of the deal and soon (2010). Plus at this point, I'm not sure anyone can teach our bigs anything.

I would rather do this, and I don't think anyone will like it much. Trade Wilcox and the SA pick to Golden State for Anthony Randolph and Anthony Morrow. Wilcox would play very well in Nellie's "system" and give them some cap space, too, at the end of the year. Randolph has a huge upside, can rebound for us right now, and gets no playing time in the Bay area. GS would also make some room in their crowded back court by moving Morrow (hey... they're the ones who already traded for Crawford!) and I think Morrow is simply the smoothest outside shooter to come along in a great while. In fact, I bet you GS turns this trade down.

Sean Williams has sunk to the bottom of the pool with the Nets. They are willing to give him away..and Ager...who's not in the NBA next year...for VERY little. Collison? Jeez....he's one of a handful of guys doing SOMETHING and you swap him for a poor man's Petro? Instead of NJ getting any picks-they'd need to give a pick.

Wilcox is expiring. GSW thinks they got top 8 talent..at least...in Randolph. Morrow? Uh..yeah,after his debut scoring 37 with 11 reb and 4/5 from 3 I'm sure GSW want's to salary dump him dor an expiring. WTF?

Wilcox could be a key cap fill if OKC want's to swap Durant to GSW for assorted goodies...but I don't see that happening soon.

GSW trading a G to the Thunder for a C or PF? that's possible.

big L · Post #12 » by **big L** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:32 pm

yeah, I'm well aware that GS won't give up any quality... but more for my own curiosity, with Crawford around, Morrow is now only getting 20 mins a game and averaging 11 pts. What happens when Ellis comes back? With Azubuiki, Jackson, Belini, Crawford, Ellis, Nelson, and Watson all competing for playing time, who's going to get on the court?

Post #13 » by **wizkid27** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:32 pm

old rem, thanks for returning this to reality... I really just either don't these being the "two trades to change the roster". If the right trade comes along for one of our pieces that isn't part of the future (Watson or Wilcox just because he won't resign that's fine). Collison has played some good ball lately, and I think you guys are undervaluing him pretty significantly. He's fairly young and healthy and essentially coming off of a double double year. For me the Jury is still out on the Green/Durant forward combo... we should know more by the trade deadline and possibly pull off somewhat minor deal then. Really don't see us reshaping the identity of the team this year though.